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1 hour ago, SC_RNDude said:

What students think of Green New Deal:

 

I kind of have some of the same reactions.  It's a good idea in theory,  but.....

She admits it's a draft that contains some mistakes.  I have to laugh at the idea to help people unwilling to work.  Some in her camp say that's been "doctored".    Puleeze

Again, I like the idea of trying to move in that direction.  The European Union is pledging to bring it's emissions to zero by 2050.  Even oil-rich Norway, not in the European Union, is moving towards zero emissions.   In the meantime America withdraws from the Paris Agreement and roles back regulations and goes backwards.  

Republicans would be wise to come up with some sort of plan themselves. It's what the American public wants.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2018/09/07/5-reasons-republicans-are-warming-to-climate-change-and-when-they-will-act/#3b4edcbc3df1

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52 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I kind of have some of the same reactions.  It's a good idea in theory,  but.....

She admits it's a draft that contains some mistakes.  I have to laugh at the idea to help people unwilling to work.  Some in her camp say that's been "doctored".    Puleeze

Again, I like the idea of trying to move in that direction.  The European Union is pledging to bring it's emissions to zero by 2050.  Even oil-rich Norway, not in the European Union, is moving towards zero emissions.   In the meantime America withdraws from the Paris Agreement and roles back regulations and goes backwards.  

Republicans would be wise to come up with some sort of plan themselves. It's what the American public wants.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2018/09/07/5-reasons-republicans-are-warming-to-climate-change-and-when-they-will-act/#3b4edcbc3df1

How do Republicans come up with a plan, when they are in bed with the fossil fuel industry?

They can't.

I think, and I could be wrong, but the part about a guaranteed income, that the right-wing loses its head about, is the same type of plan that is being tried in parts of Europe, and even, to a lesser extent in the US, with stipends.

We must face the fact, that automation will be doing many of our jobs, leaving humans with no jobs or incomes.

A smart society plans ahead.

What will become of these people?

Will they turn to crime?

Do they become illegal immigrants?

Do we offer a guranteed income?

Hooray for the Green New Deal, for bringing up the issue.

 

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11 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

How do Republicans come up with a plan, when they are in bed with the fossil fuel industry?

They can't.

I think, and I could be wrong, but the part about a guaranteed income, that the right-wing loses its head about, is the same type of plan that is being tried in parts of Europe, and even, to a lesser extent in the US, with stipends.

We must face the fact, that automation will be doing many of our jobs, leaving humans with no jobs or incomes.

A smart society plans ahead.

What will become of these people?

Will they turn to crime?

Do they become illegal immigrants?

Do we offer a guranteed income?

Hooray for the Green New Deal, for bringing up the issue.

 

I totally agree with cleaning up the planet. Bring up issues OK, but let's do some research before jumping in and wasting money for what may end up causing more harm than good and/or doing no good at all.

Not just Republicans in bed with coal, Democrats also! 

They all do what is best for themselves personally and politically, not what is best for the people.

https://www.countercurrents.org/smecker040110.htm

 

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8 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

I totally agree with cleaning up the planet. Bring up issues OK, but let's do some research before jumping in and wasting money for what may end up causing more harm than good and/or doing no good at all.

Not just Republicans in bed with coal, Democrats also! 

They all do what is best for themselves personally and politically, not what is best for the people.

https://www.countercurrents.org/smecker040110.htm

 

Did Democrats just name a coal lobbyist to a Cabinet post?

No, that was DJT!!!!!

Yes, there are Democrats, such as Joe Manchin from West Virginia, who loves coal, but there is little comparison.

 

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27 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

Not just Republicans in bed with coal, Democrats also! 

They all do what is best for themselves personally and politically, not what is best for the people.

 

 

I really don't see how the Green Deal is going what's best for herself and not the people.  

Coal rich West Virginia used to be a blue state, so can't argue with you there.

 I will say Democrats and politicians as a rule will do what's best to get themselves elected and what's best for their donors and big corporations.  I wasn't pleased with Obama for signing the Monsanto Protection Act.

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51 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

I totally agree with cleaning up the planet. Bring up issues OK, but let's do some research before jumping in and wasting money for what may end up causing more harm than good and/or doing no good at all.

Not just Republicans in bed with coal, Democrats also! 

They all do what is best for themselves personally and politically, not what is best for the people.

https://www.countercurrents.org/smecker040110.htm

 

I am wondering why you bother to vote, Daisy.

My view of the politicians I vote for isn't as cynical as your view.

While I may not have agreed with Obama on every single issue, I believed the man had the best interests of the people in this country in his heart.

He wanted more Americans to have access to health insurance, and healthcare.

He wanted common sense gun laws, so that parents in this country, don't have to bury their children after sending them to school.

He wanted all Americans to have the rights that come with marriage.

Yeah, he also supported some things I didn't like, but overall, there was more good than bad.

I was proud to have voted for him twice.

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49 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

I am wondering why you bother to vote, Daisy.

My view of the politicians I vote for isn't as cynical as your view.

While I may not have agreed with Obama on every single issue, I believed the man had the best interests of the people in this country in his heart.

He wanted more Americans to have access to health insurance, and healthcare.

He wanted common sense gun laws, so that parents in this country, don't have to bury their children after sending them to school.

He wanted all Americans to have the rights that come with marriage.

Yeah, he also supported some things I didn't like, but overall, there was more good than bad.

I was proud to have voted for him twice.

Likewise, I don't agree with everything Trump does either. And, I also believe that Trump has the peoples best interest at heart. At the same time I know that all people are human and will do things in their own best interest also, it is just naïve to think they don' (not cynical, IMO). We pretty much all want the same things, just disagree on how to do it (not that any of us really have a say so anyway).

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2 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

Likewise, I don't agree with everything Trump does either. And, I also believe that Trump has the peoples best interest at heart. At the same time I know that all people are human and will do things in their own best interest also, it is just naïve to think they don' (not cynical, IMO). We pretty much all want the same things, just disagree on how to do it (not that any of us really have a say so anyway).

Is there some evidence of Trump's altruism?  Was there evidence of Trump's having the best interest of the people at heart when he shut down the government over his lies about immigrants and the need for a big wall?  How about when he added $3trillion to the deficit or cut pollution regulations that protect citizens or put wealthy idiots in control of cabinet positions, is that evidence of his altruism?

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11 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Is there some evidence of Trump's altruism?  Was there evidence of Trump's having the best interest of the people at heart when he shut down the government over his lies about immigrants and the need for a big wall?  How about when he added $3trillion to the deficit or cut pollution regulations that protect citizens or put wealthy idiots in control of cabinet positions, is that evidence of his altruism?

People will say that building the wall to protect the American people, banning Muslims, tarriffs, tax cuts for all, the US-Mexico-Canada trade deal, and promoting record oil production, etc. all have the American people's interests at heart.  

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2 minutes ago, Tweety said:

People will say that building the wall to protect the American people, banning Muslims, tarriffs, tax cuts for all, the US-Mexico-Canada trade deal, and promoting record oil production, etc. all have the American people's interests at heart.  

I would challenge them to flesh out Trump's lies about tax reform and describe how either the lies or the deficit have the best interests of most Americans at heart.  I would challenge them to describe how lying about border crises or immigration data to justify spending billions on a campaign gimmick (In order to save face) is altruistic.

I would ask how a ban on Muslims isn't racist and how does that protect Americans who have Islamic family out of country? 

I would ask how the Trump tariffs, designed from whim and gut feeling benefit Americans? 

NAFTA 2.0 is yet to reveal is impact.  I am hopeful that union membership will increase because of it. 

Trends in oil production are not Trumpian. https://www.macrotrends.net/2562/us-crude-oil-production-historical-chart

Of course some good stuff should and will happen under this president's gaze, we still have a Congress which is supposed to serve the citizens regardless of the POTUS' agenda. 

The evidence, however, that Trump as a man is concerned about others as any sort of priority is simply lacking.  70 years of history show him to be a shallow narcissist and liar with no moral or ethical boundaries for speech or conduct. Trump is the epitome of a charlatan. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/charlatan

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2 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

I totally agree with cleaning up the planet. Bring up issues OK, but let's do some research before jumping in and wasting money for what may end up causing more harm than good and/or doing no good at all.

Not just Republicans in bed with coal, Democrats also! 

They all do what is best for themselves personally and politically, not what is best for the people.

https://www.countercurrents.org/smecker040110.htm

 

The link doesn't work so I'm quoting from it below. The 2010 posting includes:

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...   Fifty percent of the nation’s electricity comes from coal. What that alludes to is the cold, hard fact that Americans, suborned by the coal industry and their lies (e.g. the euphemism ‘clean coal’) are responsible for the burning of over a billion tons of coal per year, resulting in 2.3 billion tons – and climbing – of CO2 emissions into the atmosphere annually. Alongside greenhouse gas emissions, the burning of coal is the leading source of mercury and sulfur dioxide that is noxiously tainting the planet’s freshwaters... 

 https://www.countercurrents.org/smecker040110.htm 

By 2017 only 29.9% of our energy was from coal. Only 17% was from renewables. Most was from nuclear power and other fossil fuels, mostly natural gas. 

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3  

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