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7 hours ago, Spidey's mom said:

Lighten the mood?  

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This cute.

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Totally irrelevant to the point, but my husband was driving through West Texas and stopped to film a tornado that touched down near some of the wind turbines. It didn't hit them, but I wonder how strong of a tornado they could endure and remain standing...

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18 minutes ago, Horseshoe said:

Totally irrelevant to the point, but my husband was driving through West Texas and stopped to film a tornado that touched down near some of the wind turbines. It didn't hit them, but I wonder how strong of a tornado they could endure and remain standing...

Interesting point.

https://www.aweablog.org/wind-turbines-withstand-tornado-with-nearly-300-mph-winds/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/offshore-wind-turbines-cant-handle-toughest-hurricanes

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6 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

Perfect for eastern KY.

Bare mountains, resurfaced mountains, mountain tops removed, from years of above ground coal mining.

Wind.

Just perfect.

 

Song about the horrors of strip mining destroying a Kentucky town. 

Our California town of Paradise burned down. Peabody Coal destroyed Paradise, Kentucky on purpose.

 

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Oh, I love John Prine, herring!

Thanks for passing along.

There is a town in eastern KY, that was specifically developed as a coal company town.

Coal is long gone, but you can tour an underground mine, and museum.

I've wanted to visit.

The old high school is an inn.

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8 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

Perfect for eastern KY.

Bare mountains, resurfaced mountains, mountain tops removed, from years of above ground coal mining.

Wind.

Just perfect.

 

The sudden concern for ecological systems after blowing tops off mountains and dumping the rubble into the valley rivers is stunning.  There's currently that sort of mining enterprise trying to endanger a critical salmon river in a beautiful portion of my state.

Awesome song, Herring. 

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There is a coal company in Wyoming or Montana that is suing our state to be allowed to build a coal shipping terminal to allow shipments to China. There have several attempts to build these terminals but they can't pass the environmental requirements. Our salmon is in danger too, and as a result our resident orca population is dying. 

But hey, jobs and lower taxes, right?

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While I whole heartedly agree that we should protect the earth as much as possible I don't think that the Green new deal is the way to go. We need common sense measures that protect the earth and the people who live there without causing more harm than good.

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27 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

While I whole heartedly agree that we should protect the earth as much as possible I don't think that the Green new deal is the way to go. We need common sense measures that protect the earth and the people who live there without causing more harm than good.

That's a nice thought, but what do you mean by harm? If a coal company may have decreased profits, does that override irreparable harm to salmon and orca populations? 

Is using transportation dollars to build more mass transit instead of adding lanes to a highway constitute harm? Does encouraging more solar power over burning fossil fuels cause harm? 

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59 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

That's a nice thought, but what do you mean by harm? If a coal company may have decreased profits, does that override irreparable harm to salmon and orca populations? 

Is using transportation dollars to build more mass transit instead of adding lanes to a highway constitute harm? Does encouraging more solar power over burning fossil fuels cause harm? 

I don't have a problem with building/fixing infrastructure or phasing out coal for cleaner energy or protecting wildlife etc.. What I have a problem with is the way the government is going to mandate it. I am for decreased gov. involvement/intrusion and I definitely think that any moves toward socialism is a very bad idea (and this is a massive one!). Socialism has never ever ended well and wont here either! Some of the mandates in the new green deal have zero to do with energy thus making it obvious this is a gov power grab that will cost us all greatly in dollars and otherwise, IMO. Look at some of the government waste and government run agencies now, not good at all. Do we really want the gov to have more power and control of our lives including how much money they take out of your (and future generations) paycheck. Politics aside, think about that. I don't see how this could ever work or end well.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/green-new-deal-democrats-enviro-socialism/

 

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17 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

I don't have a problem with building/fixing infrastructure or phasing out coal for cleaner energy or protecting wildlife etc.. What I have a problem with is the way the government is going to mandate it. I am for decreased gov. involvement/intrusion and I definitely think that any moves toward socialism is a very bad idea (and this is a massive one!). Socialism has never ever ended well and wont here either! Some of the mandates in the new green deal have zero to do with energy thus making it obvious this is a gov power grab that will cost us all greatly in dollars and otherwise, IMO. Look at some of the government waste and government run agencies now, not good at all. Do we really want the gov to have more power and control of our lives including how much money they take out of your (and future generations) paycheck. Politics aside, think about that. I don't see how this could ever work or end well.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/green-new-deal-democrats-enviro-socialism/

 

Good grief.

There is the Trumpian line about Socialism.

You swallowed it hook, line and sinker, didn't you, Daisy?

Do you believe public education K-12 is a socialist idea?

How about public libraries? Socialism?

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Yep we're going to have to endure the "socialism will never work" idea until after the election in 2020.  But I suppose it's okay to allocate billions to farmers hurt by tariffs and that isn't socialism.  Trump Jr. accused teachers of indoctrinating them in it.   I just can't.....

I guess the article I posted about Trump's smaller government deregulation being harmful to the environment is fake news.

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