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I think the wind farms are kind of cool looking.  I also don't mind the arrays of solar panels that are becoming increasingly more common.  I'd rather look at those than at an oil refinery, a coal mine, or cooling towers at a nuclear power plant.  I would also speculate, but don't know for sure, that there are lower rates of industrial accidents on wind and solar farms than on oil rigs or mines.  I know the rigs and mines have a lot more workers on site, but the overall rate of injury seems like it would be lower.

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1 hour ago, BCgradnurse said:

I think the wind farms are kind of cool looking.  I also don't mind the arrays of solar panels that are becoming increasingly more common.  I'd rather look at those than at an oil refinery, a coal mine, or cooling towers at a nuclear power plant.  I would also speculate, but don't know for sure, that there are lower rates of industrial accidents on wind and solar farms than on oil rigs or mines.  I know the rigs and mines have a lot more workers on site, but the overall rate of injury seems like it would be lower.

Yes, nobody will get Black Lung Disease from wind or solar power.

Don't know if anybody heard the recent NPR piece on miners in Appalachia with Black Lung, but listen to it; it is heartbreaking.

My first nursing job had me caring for a former miner, who had received a lung transplant because of Black Lung.

He'd had the transplant several years before, and was now in rejection.

Very sad.

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3 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

Yes, nobody will get Black Lung Disease from wind or solar power.

Don't know if anybody heard the recent NPR piece on miners in Appalachia with Black Lung, but listen to it; it is heartbreaking.

My first nursing job had me caring for a former miner, who had received a lung transplant because of Black Lung.

He'd had the transplant several years before, and was now in rejection.

Very sad.

That's exactly what I was thinking about. Black lung and the lack of it with solar and wind power.  

I saw Bourdain's CNN show on West Virginia recently and it almost seemed the people there expected it, was resigned to it because it was a way of life they wanted to protect, and were Trump supporters.  It was sad to see how the move away from coal has devastated these people and some of the small towns.

Ultimately I'd rather see a green mountain with wind turbines than a mountain destroy by coal mines by workers risking their lives.  

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4 hours ago, BCgradnurse said:

I think the wind farms are kind of cool looking.  I also don't mind the arrays of solar panels that are becoming increasingly more common.  I'd rather look at those than at an oil refinery, a coal mine, or cooling towers at a nuclear power plant.  I would also speculate, but don't know for sure, that there are lower rates of industrial accidents on wind and solar farms than on oil rigs or mines.  I know the rigs and mines have a lot more workers on site, but the overall rate of injury seems like it would be lower.

I feel the same way.  I don't mind seeing wind turbines or solar panels. I do mind seeing the coal mine. Gold mining is also a pretty ugly enterprise.  I live roughly 15 miles from the open pit gold mine that produces the most gold in the state. That most assuredly spoils the natural beauty.

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33 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I feel the same way.  I don't mind seeing wind turbines or solar panels. I do mind seeing the coal mine. Gold mining is also a pretty ugly enterprise.  I live roughly 15 miles from the open pit gold mine that produces the most gold in the state. That most assuredly spoils the natural beauty.

Wow. I had no idea that gold is mined on a large scale in Alaska.

No idea at all.

I learned something new, baloney!

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Oh c'mon, what's more picturesque than the tar sands of Alberta?

Or wildlife coated in crude oil? 

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Or the oil fields of Texas or California or...

What's more beautiful than all that money?

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3 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Oh c'mon, what's more picturesque than the tar sands of Alberta?

Or wildlife coated in crude oil? 

Millions of birds and bats are killed by wind turbines each year.  Any idea how that compares to wildlife coated in crude? https://abcbirds.org/wind-energy-threatens-birds/

Right now there’s roughly 50,000 wind turbines in the US, that generates only 6% of our electricity.  

Besides consistent wind, they also need wide open space without trees.  Or, willingness to cut trees down.

Im not saying it’s bad, or that we shouldn’t further develope it.  Hiwever, it does have drawbacks and limitations that many seem unaware of.  The wind farm near Palm Springs was started in the early 80’s, has over 3000 turbines over several dozen square miles and only powers the Coachella Valley.  

There are reasons it has developed slowly over the last 40 years.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

There are reasons it has developed slowly over the last 40 years.

 

 

 

Good points, especially about the animal deaths in them.   Wind power is only part of the solution to ending our dependence on fossil fuels. 

How is it that Europe hasn't had to move so slowly?

My guess is the main reason we have moved so slowly in seeking green energy is the power of the fossil fuel industry on our government. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-rollbacks-of-fossil-fuel-regulations-may-carry-steep-costs/

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5 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

Lighten the mood?  

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Um...no it doesn't.  I'm sure teenage boys would appreciate it.  But nice try.  

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7 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Millions of birds and bats are killed by wind turbines each year.  Any idea how that compares to wildlife coated in crude? https://abcbirds.org/wind-energy-threatens-birds/

Right now there’s roughly 50,000 wind turbines in the US, that generates only 6% of our electricity.  

Besides consistent wind, they also need wide open space without trees.  Or, willingness to cut trees down.

Im not saying it’s bad, or that we shouldn’t further develope it.  Hiwever, it does have drawbacks and limitations that many seem unaware of.  The wind farm near Palm Springs was started in the early 80’s, has over 3000 turbines over several dozen square miles and only powers the Coachella Valley.  

There are reasons it has developed slowly over the last 40 years.

 

 

 

Perfect for eastern KY.

Bare mountains, resurfaced mountains, mountain tops removed, from years of above ground coal mining.

Wind.

Just perfect.

 

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