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In the 1980s my uncle built an underground tornado proof house in the country near the center of the U.S.A. He mowed the roof, but I can't find that picture. With thick concrete on three sides and roof it needed little heat, just a small amount of wood. It had passive solar heat in winter, and stayed cool in hot Oklahoma summers by closing the sun porch door and closing curtains when sun shines in.

At first he used a traditional windmill for getting water from the well and for electricity. Later my cousin made a windmill six feet off the ground that looks like an egg beater. That allowed satellite TV and internet, and lots of appliances. About once a week someone has to remove weeds from it. The wind blows almost all the time there.

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Taken after my aunt died in 2010

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3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't see what that article adds. What Republican ideas are you referencing?

An AOC advisor went on Tucker Carlson and said that Republicans had doctored and circulated a hoax version of the Green New Deal overview and faq document.

Hiwever, since I posted that I have learned that he has admitted that didn’t happen.  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio-cortez-adviser-admits-he-falsely-claimed-green-new-deal-didnt-promise-security-for-those-unwilling-to-work

In summary:

The New Green Deal overview and faq document is published as a press release on her website.

After much criticism and mocking by various types of folks from both sides, an advisor realizes how bad it is and goes on Carlson claiming there is some sort of hoax version circulated by Republicans and far right websites that includes references to farting cows, paychecks to those unwilling to work, etc.

Realizing the original version is still available on NPR’s website https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729035-Green-New-Deal-FAQ, the advisor now admits his claim of the hoax document was false.

Currently, there is no press release of any kind regarding Green New Deal, or any mention of it at all on AOC’s website.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

That is great.

I wish we has wind turbines here, to generate power.

You also live in a more progressive part of the country.

And I noticed that ideas generally start in CA, and then make their way to the rest of the country.

Actually, this part of Northern CA is not "progressive" or liberal.  

The wind turbines were very controversial and there are more planned up here and people are not happy. 

Don't even get me started on the truly silly ideas that California is unfortunately known for . . . 😉  

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3 hours ago, Horseshoe said:

I've seen the wind turbine farms in my state as well. On the one hand, great, cut down on carbon-based energy. But they are such an eyesore-these beautiful, majestic, formerly unspoiled areas are now desecrated in my opinion. It's like putting graffiti on the Statue of David or putting a mustache on The Mona Lisa.

Maybe we have no choice, but it all makes me sad.

Yes, this is the issue here as well.  The wind turbines can be seen from miles away and are scattered across a beautiful mountain range.  And now more are in the works and some people are not happy.

https://krcrtv.com/news/shasta-county/wind-turbine-in-your-backyard

My point in the initial post was that yes, technology has advanced by leaps and bounds and yes, there is a conversation going on that has been going on for a long time.  

 

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21 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

Actually, this part of Northern CA is not "progressive" or liberal.  

The wind turbines were very controversial and there are more planned up here and people are not happy. 

Don't even get me started on the truly silly ideas that California is unfortunately known for . . . 😉  

I know you realize this, but some other posters might be interested to learn that wind farms tend to go up where it’s consistently windy.  Those who build and operate wind farms do so with the plan that they will be able to generate power from such wind farms and that the project will be cost effective.

It being a progressive, liberal, or conservative part of the country has little to do with it.  Thus, the proliferation of wind farms in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa.  I believe there is a big one in Wyoming as well.

I have seen a few of these, and the big one near Palm Springs in CA, and would agree with others that they really are eyesores.

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7 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

I know you realize this, but some other posters might be interested to learn that wind farms tend to go up where it’s consistently windy.  Those who build and operate wind farms do so with the plan that they will be able to generate power from such wind farms and that the project will be cost effective.

It being a progressive, liberal, or conservative part of the country has little to do with it.  Thus, the proliferation of wind farms in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa.  I believe there is a big one in Wyoming as well.

I have seen a few of these, and the big one near Palm Springs in CA, and would agree with others that they really are eyesores.

Yep, it can be windy here.  😁 In fact, yesterday we had 45 mph winds but that was simply a storm front.  That is one of the drawbacks of wind . . . you cannot rely on it.  

I've seen the ones near Palm Springs . . . definitely eyesores. 

I found a link that I thought was fair - from an environmentalist - that mentions pros and cons.  

https://www.conserve-energy-future.com/pros-and-cons-of-wind-energy.php

 

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Okay, I finally see where the "farting cow" reference came from. As someone who has spent most of their life in dairy cow country, I can attest that cows do emit a great deal of methane. In fact, some farms actually capture it and use it for energy. Many nutritionists will tell you though, that cow milk isn't really that good for humans and many people eat too much meat. So maybe we don't need as many dairy farms, or beef, hog or chicken. 

Here is a picture of some of the wind turbines in Eastern Washington.

In my opinion, they are a lot more attractive than clouds of coal smoke, or forests damaged by acid rain. 

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3 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

I know you realize this, but some other posters might be interested to learn that wind farms tend to go up where it’s consistently windy.  Those who build and operate wind farms do so with the plan that they will be able to generate power from such wind farms and that the project will be cost effective.

It being a progressive, liberal, or conservative part of the country has little to do with it.  Thus, the proliferation of wind farms in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa.  I believe there is a big one in Wyoming as well.

I have seen a few of these, and the big one near Palm Springs in CA, and would agree with others that they really are eyesores.

Wind turbines are pretty much everywhere.

I know there was a big push several years ago to put them in the Atlantic Ocean, off the RI coast, near Block Island.

I think the initiative was defeated. 

It is always windy in KY.

Eastern part of the state would be a perfect place for wind turbines.

Agree that they aren't beautiful, but we must find alternatives to fossil fuels, fracking, etc.

 

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5 hours ago, nursej22 said:

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I would agree, 6 turbines looked at from an airplane aren’t too bad.

A few hundred from the ground looks at bit different.  Much uglier and take up much much more land area then say a nuclear power plant.

I thought this might be interesting.  You can see why wind farms are located where they are, regardless if it’s a progressive or conservative part of the country: https://www.nrel.gov/gis/wind.html

 

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11 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

I have seen a few of these, and the big one near Palm Springs in CA, and would agree with others that they really are eyesores.

I've seen the ones in Palm Springs and all over Germany and was fascinated by them.  They were hypnotizing and not an eyesore at all.

To me they are kind of like electrical wires going through a mountain range or valley, or homes and hotels on the beach, it detracts from the natural beauty but one gets used to it.  

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I also agree with the idea that energy and environment shouldn't be a liberal or conservative fight or issue.  Our Republican governor, whose campaign ad showed him playing with legos with his toddler "we're going to build that wall" and a conservative, has done more for the environment here in Florida in a few months, than the previous governor did his entire eight years.  Got to give the man his props.  Polluting the environment in an ever growing population that hungers for power isn't sustainable and a human issue, not a conservative vs. liberal issue. 

In my opinion.

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