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I'm not going to wait for someone else to come up with a plan to tackle climate change before I comment on AOC's "green" option.  

My first thought was . . . is this a parody or satire?  

She cannot be serious.  

But she has fans who like this resolution so . . . 🐄

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I follow a blog "Farm Babe" as I married into a ranching, farming, and logging family.  Came across this link in her blog (and FB page) just now.  It certainly helps show the ranchers side of the story.

. . ."Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez, I appreciate your dedication to improving our earth and pursuing sustainable futures but I beseech you to please have a conversation with your constituents and colleagues that have an agriculture background. Cows are not the problem. . ."

http://www.buzzardsbeat.com/2019/02/an-open-letter-to-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-from-a-kansas-rancher.html/?fbclid=IwAR1LHcRuBdMxWCofrgQpFigEqk-HajxUG4uo38HDwAgCcWTWrBYUtLKDJCI

Here is Farm Babe's website.   

http://thefarmbabe.com/ 

And AgDaily:

https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-no-livestock-arent-destroying-planet/

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40 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

I'm not going to wait for someone else to come up with a plan to tackle climate change before I comment on AOC's "green" option.  

My first thought was . . . is this a parody or satire?  

She cannot be serious.  

But she has fans who like this resolution so . . . 🐄

To be fair, it isn't just her resolution.

Senator Ed Markey of MA signed on too.

 

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24 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

I follow a blog "Farm Babe" as I married into a ranching, farming, and logging family.  Came across this link in her blog (and FB page) just now.  It certainly helps show the ranchers side of the story.

. . ."Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez, I appreciate your dedication to improving our earth and pursuing sustainable futures but I beseech you to please have a conversation with your constituents and colleagues that have an agriculture background. Cows are not the problem. . ."

http://www.buzzardsbeat.com/2019/02/an-open-letter-to-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-from-a-kansas-rancher.html/?fbclid=IwAR1LHcRuBdMxWCofrgQpFigEqk-HajxUG4uo38HDwAgCcWTWrBYUtLKDJCI

Here is Farm Babe's website.   

http://thefarmbabe.com/ 

And AgDaily:

https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-no-livestock-arent-destroying-planet/

Not surprisingly, I disagree with you on the topic of cows, and in particular, large cattle grazing operations.

That being said, I would prefer cows grazing in a field, over large scale, densely populated subdivisions.

But again, the Green Deal is a resolution. Some ideas may find a home, others may not.

At least Democrats have started a conversation where there formerly was none.

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Just now, Lil Nel said:

To be fair, it isn't just her resolution.

Senator Ed Markey of MA signed on too.

 

Yep. I knew that.

I'm a native Californian who is not happy with the high-speed rail (costs and otherwise) that Jerry Brown started by the way. Here is rural America, there is NO way to not have our own personal automobiles, tractors, etc.  

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal

The Green New Deal isn't just un-American, it's also completely bonkers.

Note: Ocasio-Cortez’s office has taken down their page describing the Green New Deal. It is saved here

A number of Democratic Party presidential hopefuls — including Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, Julián Castro, and Beto O’Rourke, for starters — have already endorsed or expressed support for the “Green New Deal” (GND). Today, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Edward J. Markey dropped details about her plan.

It is not hyperbole to contend that GND is likely the most ridiculous and un-American plan that’s ever been presented by an elected official to voters. Not merely because it would necessitate a communist strongman to institute, but also because the societal costs are unfathomable. The risible historic analogies Markey and Ocasio-Cortez rely on, the building of the interstate highway system or moon landing, are nothing but trifling projects compared to a plan that overhauls modernity by voluntarily destroying massive amounts of wealth and technology. That is the GND.

While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure us that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:

  • Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas — one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.
  • Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable “clean” energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy generation so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.
  • Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.
  • Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to “retrofit every building in America” with “state of the art energy efficiency.” I repeat, “every building in America.” That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced with…well, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.
  • Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out “highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.” Good luck Hawaii! California’s high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the state’s biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as we’ll see, trains that run on fossil fuels will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?
  • A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.” You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified “massive” taxation. On the bright side, when you’re foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.
  • Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American.
  • A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide “healthy food” to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).
  • A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.
  • Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, “economic security” for all who are “unable or unwilling” to work. Just to reiterate: if you’re unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.
  • Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we can’t get zero emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.

The GND uses the word “massive” to explain the size “investments” (formerly known as “taxes”) 13 times. How will we pay for this plan? “The same way we did the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailouts and extend quantitative easing,” say Markey and Cortez, who earned her degree in economics at an institution of higher learning that should be immediately decertified. The plan itself seems to insinuate that billionaires can pay for the whole thing. Of course, best case scenario, it is estimated that instituting a top marginal tax rate of 70 percent would raise a little more than $700 billion over that decade. She does not explain how we’re going to raise the other 20 bazillion dollars it will cost to tear down modernity.

Cortez and Markey claim that 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans support the Green New Deal. I’m not sure where that number is derived. But ask them again when government agents come to take out their water heater.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/07/ten-most-insane-requirements-green-new-deal/

 

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2 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

Not surprisingly, I disagree with you on the topic of cows, and in particular, large cattle grazing operations.

That being said, I would prefer cows grazing in a field, over large scale, densely populated subdivisions.

But again, the Green Deal is a resolution. Some ideas may find a home, others may not.

At least Democrats have started a conversation where there formerly was none.

In my experience, the conversation has been going on for a long long time.  

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9 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

In my experience, the conversation has been going on for a long long time.  

Are our elected officials discussing climate change?  Only one of my 3 national legislators does and the Alaska Republican voters call her RINO and other names because if her open minded approach. 

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24 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

In my experience, the conversation has been going on for a long long time.  

How so?

Do you locally, or state wide?

When climate change is denied, and joked about, how is there a serious conversation?

I live in a semi-rural area.

Yes, I need a vehicle to get to my horses, and do the stuff that is required with their care.

I get your point.

But not everyone lives in rural America.

Do people in NYC need cars?

Maybe not.

Just throwing a few things out there.

 

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5 hours ago, Spidey's mom said:

I'm not going to wait for someone else to come up with a plan to tackle climate change before I comment on AOC's "green" option.  

My first thought was . . . is this a parody or satire?  

She cannot be serious.  

But she has fans who like this resolution so . . . 🐄

Really, I’m glad this is out there and I only hope more people see it.  I think people need to see what the new wave of Democrats have in store for us.

In my state, while we all sit in our cars on our overcrowded roads spewing extra co, our Democratic majority is busy tackling issues such as plastic straws, all-day kindergarten, and safe drug injection sites.

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1 minute ago, SC_RNDude said:

Really, I’m glad this is out there and I only hope more people see it.  I think people need to see what the new wave of Democrats have in store for us.

In my state, while we all sit in our cars on our overcrowded roads spewing extra co, our Democratic majority is busy tackling issues such as plastic straws, all-day kindergarten, and safe drug injection sites.

Better than republican polluting the environment.,


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/08/carbon-emissions-trump-agenda-climate-change 

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2 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Really, I’m glad this is out there and I only hope more people see it.  I think people need to see what the new wave of Democrats have in store for us.

In my state, while we all sit in our cars on our overcrowded roads spewing extra co, our Democratic majority is busy tackling issues such as plastic straws, all-day kindergarten, and safe drug injection sites.

Actually, dude, climate change and the environment are pretty popular issues among the general population.

It is also an area where Republicans are lacking.

If I were you, I would worry about bigger issues, such as Russia and Trump.

 

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3 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

Really, I’m glad this is out there and I only hope more people see it.  I think people need to see what the new wave of Democrats have in store for us.

In my state, while we all sit in our cars on our overcrowded roads spewing extra co, our Democratic majority is busy tackling issues such as plastic straws, all-day kindergarten, and safe drug injection sites.

Oh, the horrors of all day kindergarten!

Imagine!

Children getting an education.

Horrible. Just horrible!!!!!!

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