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Wasteful spending? Would you include a $12 million parade, trips to Mar-a-lago that cost approximately $3 million dollars each, the cost of stealing children from their parents, caging them, and then reuniting some of them, private plane trips for cabinet secretaries, secret phone booths?

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Wasteful spending? Would you include a $12 million parade, trips to Mar-a-lago that cost approximately $3 million dollars each, the cost of stealing children from their parents, caging them, and then reuniting some of them, private plane trips for cabinet secretaries, secret phone booths?

Yes, yes I would! Just like I include all the wasteful spending from Obama/administration. This is what I am talking about, why would you just assume that I would not? And why do you only include Trump/admin wasteful spending, do you think it was OK when it was Obama?

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Well, Obama is no longer in office, so I am not sure how he is relevant. But okay, he most definitely should not throw himself a $12 million dollar parade.

But seriously, leadership starts at the top. Presidents can and have led by example. But the current president has proposed spending trillions to offset his tarriffs that are worrying farmers.

Most, if not all of his decisions are poorly thought out and seem to be all about stroking his ego and/or filling his personal coffers.

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To be fair, I am sure we can go all the way back to George Washington's administration, to find examples of wasteful spending.

The difference is, in the age of the 24/7 cable news cycle and Twitter, etc., it is much easier to expose waste and fraud, and do something about.

The current occupant of the WH, appears to not only be relatively content with the waste and fraud, but actually look for new avenues in which his family can participate, and look the other way for ions, when it happens via other sources.

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Am I the only one who notices that we, and I mean left and right on this thread, continue to have the same conversations over and over, just under a different heading?

Isn't that the definition of insanity? The results are always the same.

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Am I the only one who notices that we, and I mean left and right on this thread, continue to have the same conversations over and over, just under a different heading?

Isn't that the definition of insanity? The results are always the same.

Hey, we finally agree on something, LOL.

But I like having conversations because I think that is how people learn from each other.

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Am I the only one who notices that we, and I mean left and right on this thread, continue to have the same conversations over and over, just under a different heading?

Isn't that the definition of insanity? The results are always the same.

That's an expected outcome of using "what about" and other forms of deflection as a communication tool. The intent is generally to change the conversation from one subject/topic/focus to another. Use of logical fallacy has been a favorite device of Russia in the post cold war world. Putin uses it all the time.

Trump uses it all the time.

Sometimes it appears that there are almost scripts for the posters to utilize in deflection and 'you too' tactics. I see long cut and paste examples in a wide variety of places. I think that Russia is really feeding a very hateful message to some Americans.

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Hey, we finally agree on something, LOL.

But I like having conversations because I think that is how people learn from each other.

But my point is that we don't learn from each other.

If we did, folks would change their minds on things, and that doesn't happen.

Hence my comment about same conversations, over and over.

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But my point is that we don't learn from each other.

If we did, folks would change their minds on things, and that doesn't happen.

Hence my comment about same conversations, over and over.

Well, I think that some folks do at least leave the conversation and think about the others point of view, at least I know I do. I still might not fully agree but I think it is still helpful to try to see a situation in a different light and I have in fact changed my mind a few times from conversations with others (here and in person). For instance, when I got married (many moons ago) my husband was a Democrat and I was a Republican. We had some interesting family gatherings as you can imagine. But even when we disagreed on some issues we all made an effort to at least listen and try to respect the others right to their point of view. Over the years we have both become more toward the middle and now consider ourselves Independent. I enjoy hearing others points of view and try to learn from them. Just because we still may not agree (on this and other threads) doesn't make either of us bad people just different in our views. But I still think communication/conversation is a good thing!

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I believe what the author of the article was saying is that these things (healthcare, a minimum wage) are not a right under the constitution and therefore it is not the responsibility of the government to provide. If we the people want to provide these to all people that is of course not necessarily wrong but the question remains how to do that in a fair manner, how to pay for that etc. I consider myself a liberal conservative, meaning I want to help people, I do help people, but at the same time realize that it needs to be fair and fiscally responsible. I think if we the people would ban together, instead of throwing stones at each other, we would be in a better position to protest wasteful government spending (that has gone on for many years on both sides) and have the funds to provide for those that we want who are in need. As far as healthcare goes, the ACA did do some good but also could have been much better, it messed with a lot of peoples insurance making it much harder to obtain care and much more expensive, at the same time it did nothing about medication costs, tort reform, regulations etc. The Republicans had a chance to repeal and did not so still not fixed because of politics. I agree with you Muno that it is a imbalance between revenue and spending. I don't think that we should just keep increasing taxes though because the gov. is not spending the money appropriately (just google wasteful gov spending etc). I don't believe that the Democracy has fallen yet, but if we cant stop being a divided country it wont be long. I may not like the way Trump acts, or all of his policies, but that goes for every other President before him also. I have been voting for a very long time and even when my guy/gal doesn't win I still wish them well and success because that is what is best for the country, and thus the people. I guess I just don't understand the level of hate and incivility that we now have, its just sad and scary.

I don't think republican repeal and replace or ACA reform failed due to 'politics' since they control the white house, senate, and house. They failed because despite running on this for the last 8 years it turns out they still had no coherent plan for how to fix healthcare without worsening the shortcomings of the ACA that they were complaining about.

Wanting really expensive advanced healthcare without wanting to pay for it is understandable, but doesn't work as a plan to put in practice.

How would you like to see it fixed?

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I don't think republican repeal and replace or ACA reform failed due to 'politics' since they control the white house, senate, and house. They failed because despite running on this for the last 8 years it turns out they still had no coherent plan for how to fix healthcare without worsening the shortcomings of the ACA that they were complaining about.

Wanting really expensive advanced healthcare without wanting to pay for it is understandable, but doesn't work as a plan to put in practice.

How would you like to see it fixed?

I agree with you that the Republican party had a chance to fix ACA and didn't, that is what I meant by politics (within the party). I don't have all the answers to fix but would like to see those issues related to medication costs, tort reform, gov regulations, all these just seem to increase the costs to the patient/consumer. I would like to see a decrease in wasteful gov spending and have that applied to preventative programs in communities and care etc. I do like some parts of ACA, like the protection for people with preexisting conditions but if that is costing insurance company's too much (although I think they probably still make good money) then maybe a plan for them, Medicare or something like that. How about you? What would you like to see happen?

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I agree with you that the Republican party had a chance to fix ACA and didn't, that is what I meant by politics (within the party). I don't have all the answers to fix but would like to see those issues related to medication costs, tort reform, gov regulations, all these just seem to increase the costs to the patient/consumer. I would like to see a decrease in wasteful gov spending and have that applied to preventative programs in communities and care etc. I do like some parts of ACA, like the protection for people with preexisting conditions but if that is costing insurance company's too much (although I think they probably still make good money) then maybe a plan for them, Medicare or something like that. How about you? What would you like to see happen?
Some in congress planned to lower the age for purchasing Medicare insurance each year. If we had done that every American would have Medicare now.

Because current Medicare only pays 80% of costs there would have to be insurance or government help to pay yhr 20% Medicare does not.

Many could pay the 20% and have catastrophic insurance for costs excdeeding what the person could afford.

] Single-Payer National Health Insurance | Physicians for a National Health Program

 

‘Medicare for All’ would cover everyone, save billions in first year

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