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Don't worry Tweety, insurers will survive!

Check out what Humana is doing.

This is from July 12, 2018 edition of Becker's Hospital Review.

Humana purchased post-acute care provider, Kindred Healthcare, in the spring.

Along with two private equity firms, it has purchased Curo Health Services.

The three will be the largest hospice operators in the nation.

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I agree.

Health insurance won't go away. Medicare only covers 80% of the cost right?

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The NY Times article on nursing home staffing is from July 7, 2018 edition.

Here is the part about ACA requirements that I had no idea existed, and I am sure nursing home owners hate because they can no longer game the system.

Data analyzed...daily payroll records Medicare only recently began gathering and publishing...as required by ACA.

Medicare previously had been rating each facilities staffing levels based on the home's own unverified ratings.

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Let me get out my baby spoon for you Horseshoe and Nel. This took all of two seconds to find.

What BS. Sourcing your statements of "fact" is basic courtesy to ALL All Nurse members. It's not the reader's job to spend even one second researching your statements.

If I make objective claims, I provide a link. If I forget to provide a link, and someone asks for one, I do so without being a jerk.

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I only ask for sources when I've tried to find it myself, and if I care enough.

You obviously didn't, as it literally took me 2 seconds to find a article I've never seen. And, there are many more out there.

I wasn't asking Muno for his sources. I was trying to help you and Horseshoe out as I figured you must have missed his post as I didn't see either of you explain the rules about sourcing to him.

My hypocrisy....bahahaha!!!

I haven't addressed Muno because I just got back to this thread. I don't get alarms whenever Muno posts on AN, and do not stay plugged into my computer 24/7.

I already stated earlier that it doesn't matter to me what end of the spectrum one is on...if you make statements of "fact," it is on you, not the reader, to provide a link. That applies to everyone, and is just common courtesy; as educated professionals, that shouldn't be such a hard thing to do.

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They're both government run, but that's pretty much the extent of the similarities, and what makes the VA bad apply at least much to the private insurance sector if not more.

The main problem with the VA is that it's way too cheap, for a patient that medicare would pay for about $60,000 of care per year, the VA only pays for about $5,000 per year. The VA does this by restricting access to care by requiring patients only use designated services and facilities, which is also what private insurers do and we see the same reduced access to care as a result.

The VA is also government run healthcare delivery which is problematic in any situation where the insurer is also the one delivering care, medicare and medicare-for-all still utilize competitive, separately operated healthcare delivery and even still utilizes private insurers, but where the profit motive is to provide the most effective and efficient care, currently the profit motive for private insurers is to provide as little care as possible, much like the VA.

Muno, in the interest of fairness, where do these $$ figures come from?

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What BS. Sourcing your statements of "fact" is basic courtesy to ALL All Nurse members. It's not the reader's job to spend even one second researching your statements.

If I make objective claims, I provide a link. If I forget to provide a link, and someone asks for one, I do so without being a jerk.

Jerk. I do believe that is the appropriate word choice in this case!

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I agree.

Health insurance won't go away. Medicare only covers 80% of the cost right?

It would be easiest to just expand Medicare to all ages.

Then the insurance companies would have more "Medigap Supplement" and "Medicare Advantage" insurance. People who cannot afford this would have Medicaid to pay the 20% Medicare does not.

With Medicare Advantage the insurance company is paid by Medicare to provide all of your Medicare hospital and medical Insurance) coverage.

https://www.medicare.gov/Pubs/pdf/11474.pdf

That would be easiest to pass, but many, including Senator Sanders and the group Physicians for a National Health Plan wan Medicare to cover dental and pay 100% of approved claims.

Single-Payer National Health Insurance | Physicians for a National Health Program

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind - Bernie Sanders

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Muno, in the interest of fairness, where do these $$ figures come from?

Examining the Quality and Cost of VA Health Care | The American Legion

So, according to these statistics, the cost per VA patient in 2013 was $5,000 ($100 = 2% of $5,000), while Medicare patients, who are a similar cohort to VA's aging population, consumed $60,000 ($100/month x 12 = $1,200 = 20% of $60,000) in medical care that same year, which represents a cost that is 12 times greater than VA's patients.

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Jerk. I do believe that is the appropriate word choice in this case!

Well, I'm not calling anyone a jerk, but refusing to provide a link when asked or being snide and sarcastic in the face of an entirely reasonable request is jerky behavior.

I belong to a crime sleuth website. Posting factual data or statistics, among other things, without a link is against TOS and can get you banned. I think that is a reasonable policy. Certainly not every statement of fact must be sourced if it would reasonably be expected to be common knowledge-"Austin is the capitol of Texas," for example, or "Mike Pence is the Vice President of the United States," "measles is a viral, rather than bacterial, infection," things of that nature.

If in doubt, provide a link when an assertion is made for the purpose of educating, debating, or attempting to validate a point of view. If no link is provided, and another AN member asks you to source your claims, do it in a cooperative manner. It's totally inappropriate to become argumentative or insinuate incompetence or other negative characteristics of other AN members who ask people to back up their claims with proof (or at least the source) of their claims.

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Well, I'm not calling anyone a jerk, but refusing to provide a link when asked or being snide and sarcastic in the face of an entirely reasonable request is jerky behavior.

I belong to a crime sleuth website. Posting factual data or statistics, among other things, without a link is against TOS and can get you banned. I think that is a reasonable policy. Certainly not every statement of fact must be sourced if it would reasonably be expected to be common knowledge-"Austin is the capitol of Texas," for example, or "Mike Pence is the Vice President of the United States," "measles is a viral, rather than bacterial, infection," things of that nature.

If in doubt, provide a link when an assertion is made for the purpose of educating, debating, or attempting to validate a point of view. If no link is provided, and another AN member asks you to source your claims, do it in a cooperative manner. It's totally inappropriate to become argumentative or insinuate incompetence or other negative characteristics of other AN members who ask people to back up their claims with proof (or at least the source) of their claims.

Are these actual crimes, or fictional?

How very interesting!!!

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