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I agree, I just don't think some of the rhetoric is helpful. Comparing the President to Hilter is just ridiculous. I am also speaking out as my right and civic duty against what I feel are injustices.

Trump has sent people to camps

Hitler sent people to camps

Trumps is trying to make his country better

Hitler believed by removing jews from Germany it would make his country better.

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Trump has sent people to camps

Hitler sent people to camps

Trumps is trying to make his country better

Hitler believed by removing jews from Germany it would make his country better.

Trump didn't send anyone to camps, the people and kids that (by laws enacted by Congress) ended up in detention facilities were due to their (parent) choices/breaking the law (and as nurses we all know the regulations that affect the care of kids, so more like summer camp for the kids, although I agree its hard on them to be away from parents)

Hitler sent innocent people (who merely disagreed with him, different political party, different religion, homosexual etc) to concentration camps where murder, torture, forced labor, medical experiments etc were the norm

Trump is trying to make the country better by policy changes that positively affect working/middle class people (decreasing useless government regulations, decreasing unemployment, decreasing taxes etc.), trying to build the military for safety, and trying to lower our deficit etc

Hitler was indeed an evil man that only tried to make his country better by silencing the opposing party

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How can you not compare #45 to Hitler? He is a Hitler Wannabe.

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(and as nurses we all know the regulations that affect the care of kids, so more like summer camp for the kids, although I agree its hard on them to be away from parents)

Wow. That is such a callous statement. I really can't believe you wrote that. Summer camp? Really? I guess that listening to those toddlers crying for their mon or dad must have affected us differently.... Honestly, you must have attended some really crummy summer camps.

I am seldom at a loss for words, but this is one of those instances.

How can you not compare #45 to Hitler? He is a Hitler Wannabe.

I think that calling him Hitler is to diminish the atrocities that monster committed, but I do agree that Trump appear to possess traits necessary for a despot in the making. I think we should believe him when he says that he wants the power that Kim Jong Un has. He also clearly admires Putin, Duterte and Erdogan and he constantly attacks and attempts to delegitimize the free press. So yes, the writing is definitely on the wall.

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The shoes of the people who live in America who would be classified poor working/lower middle class. These people work very hard every day just to make ends meet, they make little money, but too much to qualify for any gov. benefits (food stamps etc,) They make choices between medicine for their kids or food etc. As a nurse I have talked to many of these people who are fed up with the current situation that allows unchecked immigrants into the country who then claim gov. benefits at taxpayer expense (their expense, they don't have enough for themselves but are forced to pay for others). How do you tell them that it is their responsibility to care for/pay for all these people. No matter what you think about Trump, this is what he called the forgotten man, and this is in part why he won. There are masses of these people who are just tired of being taxed to death, never able to get ahead, and on top of that, paying for others many of whom abuse the system for life. Even middle class people are struggling and in part because of healthcare insurance. Some pay thousands a month while watching illegals get everything for free. That is why I said that maybe some either do not understand or consider the entire situation (not caring about our own citizen kids). I believe in Sweden you all have gov. healthcare. I have also heard negative things about your country but I also realize that one should not believe everything heard on TV and that I don't live there and should not judge. As I stated, I feel bad for these people who want to come here for a better life (and for the kids situation), but there needs to be a better process and more responsibility placed on the immigrants once they get here. Our borders are not protected, thus allowing mass illegal immigration of people who we have no way of vetting, that is why we also have problems with gangs, drugs and human trafficking. That is why some people in America have a problem with unchecked immigration.

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Wow. That is such a callous statement. I really can't believe you wrote that. Summer camp? Really? I guess that listening to those toddlers crying for their mon or dad must have affected us differently.... Honestly, you must have attended some really crummy summer camps.

I am seldom at a loss for words, but this is one of those instances.

I think that calling him Hitler is to diminish the atrocities that monster committed, but I do agree that Trump appear to possess traits necessary for a despot in the making. I think we should believe him when he says that he wants the power that Kim Jong Un has. He also clearly admires Putin, Duterte and Erdogan and he constantly attacks and attempts to delegitimize the free press. So yes, the writing is definitely on the wall.

My point was that the detention facilities for the kids is no way the same as concentration camps!

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Children of people being processed by the criminal justice system are separated from their parents. People who cross the border without a visa are criminals and need to be detained and processed. Would you prefer these children be left in border jails with their parents where all manner of abuses take place.

It is a fact that 3 times the number of children separated from their parents at the border are detained every three days from Criminal parents who are citizens. Why are they considered any less damaged?

I work with mentally ill adolescents and can tell you a large proportion of them were separated from their parents at a young age. We need to fix our own issues and the countries that are ignoring their issues and encouraging their citizens to flee are as much to blame for this situation as the US.

Separating children from their ciminally charged immigrant parents has been leagally enforced since the Clinton signed into law an Immigration reform act in 1994. It has been enforced by Clinton, Bush and Obama. The fact that Trump who I have no love for acted admittedly under pressure to end this program is a statement in support of human rights.

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The difference here is that EVERY border crosser is being criminally prosecuted. INCLUDING asylum seekers. This is new. It started in April. First time offenders are being prosecuted and deported instead of just sent away. Assuming positive intent, at best it was a 'that'll show 'em" attempt at scaring people from coming here. In your quote you are grouping first-time crossers, asylum seekers and known criminals (violence, robbery, drugs) in the same category -- like the current administration started doing in April with Zero-Tolerance.

Do you really believe they should all be handled the same way?

There are so many problems with that.

1. It's VERY expensive!!!!

2. It stresses an already stressed judicial system.

3. It stresses an already stressed child sponsorship/foster system.

4. It goes against what MOST Americans believe is morally right -- we still do live in a democracy?

5. It scarily sets broad-brush power precedents toward vulnerable populations that frankly could become quite dangerous.

6. It is EXPENSIVE!!!

And not to mention the obvious detriment to the kids that those of us who are weak and have bleeding hearts keep blabbering on and on about -- because hey, why weren't we outraged before???

Because what was happening before is not what is happening now. That is a fact. What is happening now is called Zero-Tolerance -- which I pretty lamely tried to describe above.

Look, I'm not a sweet, soft purring kitten -- not a snowflake and my heart doesn't bleed as much as it probably should.... but this whole zero tolerance thing is wrong. I don't like thugs. They should be prosecuted and kicked out of the country if they don't belong here. Parents of kids running away from shootouts and unimaginable violence and poverty are not thugs.

C'mon, there's no comparison and the penalties shouldn't be the same.

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My point was that the detention facilities for the kids is no way the same as concentration camps!

In fairness, true, and in all fairness, no way the same as summer camps.

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Look, I'm not a sweet, soft purring kitten -- not a snowflake and my heart doesn't bleed as much as it probably should.... but this whole zero tolerance thing is wrong. I don't like thugs. They should be prosecuted and kicked out of the country if they don't belong here. Parents of kids running away from shootouts and unimaginable violence and poverty are not thugs.

C'mon, there's no comparison and the penalties shouldn't be the same.

Exactly. They are not rapist, murderers, or "bad hombres." They are escaping rapists, murderers, and "bad hombres."

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Harshly would be my guess.

OP, speaking as a European, I think that you are a true American. Unless I've completely misunderstood what values the Statue of Liberty is meant to represent, reacting with horror at state-sanctioned child abuse and the inhumane treatment of refugees; is the essence of being an American.

The world is watching. The policy of separating children, including infants and toddlers, from their parents, simply because the parents are suspected of committing a misdemeanor is CRUEL, disproportionate and unworthy of an evolved society. This kind of dehumanizing treatment of a group of people is laying the groundwork for a fascist state where some people are worth more than other people, based solely on skin color, ethnicity, religion or race. If anyone doesn't believe me, I think history proves me right.

This policy has damaged your standing and reputation in the world and it will take a long time before you will regain our trust and respect. Shameful behavior. You of all countries are supposed to be better than this, but it seems history is rearing its ugly head.

I don't understand how any medical or nursing professional can react with anything other than condemnation of this policy. I shouldn't matter whether you vote R, D, I or not at all. This is a question of common decency. It's having a heart or not having a heart. The protection of children is something we should all be able to unite around.

It's entirely possible to be completetly in support of strong border security without WIlLFULLY adding additional long-term trauma to children and adults who in all likelyhood have already experienced trauma in their lives. They are refugees for a reason. What makes this even worse is that I suspect the cruelty of this policy was deliberate.

All medical professionals should indeed condemn this inhumane policy. We KNOW that it will cause permanent damage to these children. It's unconscionable. It's heartbreaking.

I sincerely hope that the moderators will allow this thread to remain here on the yellow side because this issue is in my opinion too important to be "relegated" off to the blue side.

This question derfinititely has medical as well a political ramifications, but more important than that; your nation's very soul hangs in the balance.

OP, good for you for speaking up!

Thank-you it on the blue side as you predicted. I wished it stayed on the yellow as well.

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In fairness, true, and in all fairness, no way the same as summer camps.

I went to a few summer camps when I was a kid. I remember it well, 22 hours a day in a locked chain link kennel ... Good times! Happy memories!

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He has been called racist, Hitler and white supremacist for using the same language used by Obama, the Clintons, et al. People seem to have short memories.

Please show me evidence that Obama, either Clinton, or any other US president ever referred to illegal immigrants as "animals," an "infestation," or any similarly dehumanizing terms. That language is much more reminiscent of the Third Reich, or the government in Rwanda referring to people as "cockroaches" before the genocide started there, than any prior US president.

Trump Uses Language of Exterminators About Immigrants

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