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House Votes To Overturn Obama Rule Restricting Gun Sales To The Severely Mentally Ill

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I'm glad you agree that some severely mentally ill people should not be able to have access to firearms so long as there was due process.

Perhaps when a person is determined to need another person to handle his or her finances that would be the time to begin the due process regarding fitness for gun ownership too?

As the law was written a person, who is unable to deal with their money, would have to prove their competence to own a gun.

I would be fine with a Court that is deciding if someone is mentally ill enough to require a decision of incompetence to make their own decisions also weighing in on competence to own firearms. That would be due process and a hurdle high enough that the govt couldn't capriciously deny firearms to somebody randomly.

And to clarify your last sentence, a CITIZEN shouldn't be deprived the right to vote without due process. Requiring an ID to vote isn't a high hurdle, nor is it a due process violation. Since we linked voting and 2A rights here as fundamental Constitutional rights, you don't support allowing someone to walk into any gun store and buy a gun without showing ID, do you?

~faith,

Timothy

No silly, of course I do not support someone walking into any gun store and buying a gun without showing ID.

In my experience many people, often with developmental disabilities and/or mental illness had been receiving benefits with a parent or other guardian before their 18th birthday.

That legal guardian often wants to continue.

I'm certain that an adult does not have to let another person handle his or her finances without a court order. I agreed that would be the appropriate time and place to file for a separate ruling regarding gun ownership.

I think we agree.

Just a story.

In the 1970s we worked on getting curb cuts in our city. Part of that effort was a drive to register disabled citizens to vote.

I recently found out that the father on a young woman, who was still getting her check, accused a volunteer of voter fraud. He claimed his daughter was not qualified to vote.

I still haven't met her, but was told she took control of her own life. She registered, voted, handled her finances, got an education, and lived an adult life. Her father was proud of her.

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Just going to hazard a post on the original topic. Having someone appointed to handle financial affairs is not equivalent to severe mental illness. Sometimes that is done to prevent financial abuse of the elderly.

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Another young mother was just shot to death by her estranged male lover who was known to police because of his domestic violence activities.

His right to own a gun was more important than her life or the needs of her small children in our society. We won't protect her but we will protect that gun ownership. .

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Now Kentucky lawmakers have tried to make their original bill a bit more appealing to the masses by having a Senate version with an age limit of 21, instead of 18. The rest of the bill is worded exactly the same: it does away with existing state law requiring a permit, criminal background check AND firearms training before carrying a concealed, loaded gun in public. Amazing!

Yes, guns are legal to own. I understand that. But when guns are made more easily available to ANYBODY, including the mental ill, that is just stupid.

Remember, the mentally ill don't just use guns to hurt and maim others. They also use guns on themselves via suicide.

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Didn't the NRA spokesman just tell the world that Soros or someone is paying protesters $1500 per week to make conservative legislators lives difficult?

Seriously.

He just said something to that effect in a CPAC meeting. No data or facts to back that up. He just pulled that straight out of some small orifice and offered it up in his official capacity as chief propagandist for weapons manufacturers and not one peep from those people who are now so consumed with the presidential notion of fake news.

It is stunning to observe the mechanics of leading a democratic population down a pathway of fascism and authoritarianism.

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Didn't the NRA spokesman just tell the world that Soros or someone is paying protesters $1500 per week to make conservative legislators lives difficult?

Seriously.

He just said something to that effect in a CPAC meeting. No data or facts to back that up. He just pulled that straight out of some small orifice and offered it up in his official capacity as chief propagandist for weapons manufacturers and not one peep from those people who are now so consumed with the presidential notion of fake news.

It is stunning to observe the mechanics of leading a democratic population down a pathway of fascism and authoritarianism.

Yeah, I heard that, too, and my first thought was -- where the heck do I sign up??? I'd be delighted to get paid to do what I'm already doing for free. :)

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Remember, the mentally ill don't just use guns to hurt and maim others. They also use guns on themselves via suicide.

This is an unfair stereotype. Mentally ill people are far more likely to be the victims of violence than perpetrators of it, yet the myth persists that we are dangerous and not to be trusted with firearms. That's not to say that SOME people with mental illness shouldn't own guns, just as there are people who have already committed a criminal act (violent or not), who shouldn't have access to them. But blanket judgments against people who suffer from bipolar or major depression and may hurt themselves are based on fear rather than any real concern for them.

So many people get in an uproar about immigration rights, where are their voices when one group of marginalized citizens are in danger of losing THEIR rights on the basis of a brain disorder?

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I have no memory of that at all.

I was thinking it had something to do with trigger guards, trying to prevent accidental shootings by kids, or something along those lines.

I tried to look it up but couldn't find anything that came close to what my brain was recalling.

I do think way to many kids are killed every year in accidental shootings. But I think that is more careless handling on the part of the adult than anything else.

I think some of the laws could be a little stricter, to make it a little more difficult for the Dylan Roofs to arm themselves. On the other hand, those bent on destruction will always find a way & don't abide by the laws anyway.

And I'll be sure to keep my guns out of boats!! Apparently not a goid mix!

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I do think way to many kids are killed every year in accidental shootings. But I think that is more careless handling on the part of the adult than anything else.

"Way to(o) many"? What would you consider an acceptable number of children to lose each year in accidental shootings?

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