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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

But Larry Kudlow doesn't agree. 

I have 2 words to say to Larry Kudlow, and they aren't "Happy Birthday". Larry Kudlow likely didn't have to go to a food pantry to feed his family, or lay off employees because his coffee shop or restaurant had decreased business.  People weren't spending money during the shutdown, so of course that hurts the economy.  He's just spouting the trump cult nonsense.

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4 hours ago, BCgradnurse said:

I have 2 words to say to Larry Kudlow, and they aren't "Happy Birthday". Larry Kudlow likely didn't have to go to a food pantry to feed his family, or lay off employees because his coffee shop or restaurant had decreased business.  People weren't spending money during the shutdown, so of course that hurts the economy.  He's just spouting the trump cult nonsense.

Isn't that why Trump likely hired him? 

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All this over a wall that won't really be effective anyway. Really, it won't. If people really want to get across the border illegally they will find a way.   There are certainly ways across the border in places that Trump's wall can't even be built.  We have a lot of border, no way is any wall being put up that can cover every foot of it.  I am not against border security, far from it. I am against a security measure that is nothing but an ostentatious statement of perceived power.  

How many of you are old enough to remember a different moment in time when another Republican president made a proclamation about a wall?  "Tear down this wall!" became a triumphant moment for world politics and not too many years later here we are trying to build one. 

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The threat assessment doesn't match up with Trump's rhetoric about the security of the southern border. Trump's sycophants will believe him, even though he is a untrustworthy liar. 

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2 hours ago, kbrn2002 said:

All this over a wall that won't really be effective anyway. Really, it won't. If people really want to get across the border illegally they will find a way.   There are certainly ways across the border in places that Trump's wall can't even be built.  We have a lot of border, no way is any wall being put up that can cover every foot of it.  I am not against border security, far from it. I am against a security measure that is nothing but an ostentatious statement of perceived power.  

How many of you are old enough to remember a different moment in time when another Republican president made a proclamation about a wall?  "Tear down this wall!" became a triumphant moment for world politics and not too many years later here we are trying to build one. 

If someone really wants in your house they’ll find away.  Do you lock your doors anyway?

So, you disagree with the former (under Obama, was fired by Trump) head of the BP who says places where there is a wall has been effective and that the border does need more wall or other physical barriers?

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4 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

If someone really wants in your house they’ll find away.  Do you lock your doors anyway?

So, you disagree with the former (under Obama, was fired by Trump) head of the BP who says places where there is a wall has been effective and that the border does need more wall or other physical barriers?

This is a complex issue for me, so I'll try to explain as best as I can.  First, I do believe we definitely need better border security.  Hard to be against that when undocumented foreign nationals and not just Mexican by the way gain relatively easy entry into the US and leach off benefits that in my opinion should only be available to citizens or those who are legally in our country.  I don't believe for a minute that illegal aliens are solely responsible for an uptick in crime rates but the people that enter our country illegally are certainly not all model citizens that we would gladly open the door for.   

On the flip side of that I do support giving a path to citizenship to the so called dreamers.  It's not the fault of the child that their parents entered the US illegally and to deport people that have lived their entire lives in this country just seems wrong. 

But is an imposing wall the answer to keeping illegals from crossing our borders?  I don't think it is.  We should be able to improve border security without a huge and hugely expensive wall that will do little to deter those that are determined to to get into the US one way or another.  Plus there is bound to be some  deterioration in foreign relations with our border nations if we persist in building bigger and more imposing physical barriers.  By border nations I of course mean our southern neighbors.  Nobody is talking about building a wall across the US/Canada border and that border is not exactly a crime free zone. 

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15 hours ago, kbrn2002 said:

This is a complex issue for me, so I'll try to explain as best as I can.  First, I do believe we definitely need better border security.  Hard to be against that when undocumented foreign nationals and not just Mexican by the way gain relatively easy entry into the US and leach off benefits that in my opinion should only be available to citizens or those who are legally in our country.  I don't believe for a minute that illegal aliens are solely responsible for an uptick in crime rates but the people that enter our country illegally are certainly not all model citizens that we would gladly open the door for.   

On the flip side of that I do support giving a path to citizenship to the so called dreamers.  It's not the fault of the child that their parents entered the US illegally and to deport people that have lived their entire lives in this country just seems wrong. 

But is an imposing wall the answer to keeping illegals from crossing our borders?  I don't think it is.  We should be able to improve border security without a huge and hugely expensive wall that will do little to deter those that are determined to to get into the US one way or another.  Plus there is bound to be some  deterioration in foreign relations with our border nations if we persist in building bigger and more imposing physical barriers.  By border nations I of course mean our southern neighbors.  Nobody is talking about building a wall across the US/Canada border and that border is not exactly a crime free zone. 

I said earlier or maybe another thread, in relation to the federal budget, the wall money Trump is asking for is equal to about $250 to my income.  Not terribly expensive.

I tend to go along with the ex Border Patrol chief who served under Obama and was fired by Trump.  I have an open mind, however.  Tell me how he is wrong.  

https://www.dailywire.com/news/42666/daily-wire-speaks-mark-morgan-obama-era-border-frank-camp

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Trump just wasted enough money on his government shutdown to make substantial improvement to border security.  

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3 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

I said earlier or maybe another thread, in relation to the federal budget, the wall money Trump is asking for is equal to about $250 to my income.  Not terribly expensive.

I tend to go along with the ex Border Patrol chief who served under Obama and was fired by Trump.  I have an open mind, however.  Tell me how he is wrong.  

https://www.dailywire.com/news/42666/daily-wire-speaks-mark-morgan-obama-era-border-frank-camp

Ah. There you go again, dude.

Breaking down the wall expense in terms of its personal cost to YOU.

I don't care if the personal cost of the wall is 2 cents, to me. I won't support it.

Again, I am surprised you support the suggestions of someone from the Obama administration.

Of course, you have cherry picked the position you support.

Just heard on NPR, that Border Patrol just confiscated a large amount of synthetic fentanyl aboard a tractor trailer loaded with produce from Mexico heading to Arizona.

How does the wall stop the shipment of illegal drugs such as this?

Again, pay attention to the El Chapo trial. You might learn something about the transport of illegal drugs.

 

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Concealed By Cucumbers, Massive Fentanyl Stash Found In Produce Truck In Arizona

U.S. Customs and Border Protection says its agents seized a record amount of fentanyl Saturday from a produce truck attempting to enter the country from Mexico at Arizona's Port of Nogales crossing.

Buried under piles of cucumbers, lay some 254 pounds of fentanyl, worth around $3.5 million. Agents also discovered nearly 395 pounds of methamphetamine, valued at $1.1 million.

The drugs were stashed in a special floor compartment in the trailer, according to CBP, which said the fentanyl seizure is the biggest in the agency's history.

When the truck driver arrived at the U.S. through the Mariposa Port of Entry Cargo Facility in Nogales, CBP officers conducted a scan "and observed anomalies under the floor of the tractor," according to court documents. Then a drug sniffing dog picked up an odor coming from the rear of the trailer...

https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/npr/690616787/concealed-by-cucumbers-massive-fentanyl-stash-found-in-produce-truck-in-arizona 

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Seems like the recent bipartisan negotiations acknowledged and addressed this method of drug smuggling. Of course, Trump wall does nothing to prevent or reduce this type of border breech. 

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