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This is an eye for an eye, isn't it?

No, it's making the punishment fit the crime.

Some of the world's foremost valuers of life and bastions of enlightenment and humanitarianism:

China

Iran

Saudi Arabia

Iraq

Pakistan

Egypt

Somalia

Is that really the company you wish to keep?

This is a signal for me to shake my head and back out of the door slowly and not return.

If that is what you have gathered from my comments here, there is not much hope for a thoughtful exchange of ideas.

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I don't agree with the death penalty.

I don't think that the state should be in the business of killing the citizens.

If the citizens insist upon death as punishment, then the state should used those things designed for the purpose of causing death, IMHO.

The president said, the other day, that America makes the best guns. Let's use those to execute prisoners.

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I do not have answers. I'm simply making the point that the death penalty is more about the value we place on a human life than simply deterring crime. I do believe though, that the punishment for the crime should reflect the severity of the crime committed. If someone takes the life of another person, they should be required to give up their own. That puts a value on the victim's life.

But our justice system is imperfect. I do not disagree with you that innocent people are sentenced to death, and I do not think it's OK that innocent people are put to death , for the very reason that life is the highest value. That is why I stated that I was NOT saying the death penalty for all pre-meditated murder was the answer.

BUT: 17,000+ murders (In my quick search, I couldn't find that number broken down into premeditated vs. manslaughter etc...) in 2016 and 20 executions...most of them 20 years after the murder was committed. Can claims be made about whether deterrence has occurred? I do not think it can be concluded that because states/countries with the death penalty have higher murder rates, therefore the death penalty is not a deterrent. While it may be true, correlation does not = causation, and it may also be misleading because those numbers just don't give enough data to draw conclusions from.

And for the record, I have no desire to see anyone tortured, no matter what they have done. But I do believe there is ultimate justice, that may have something to do with it.

I'm glad to hear you object to the idea of executing innocent people. But our justice system isn't just "imperfect," it's deeply flawed. Do you think it's fair or acceptable that minority defendants are significantly more likely to be sentenced to death than white defendants for similar crimes? Or that poor people are significantly more likely to be convicted and sentenced to death than more affluent people who can afford a better defense, for a similar crime? Those kinds of racial and economic inequities are bad enough when we're "just" talking about prison time -- but how can anyone defend executing people through a process in which justice is so obviously biased?

I have no problem with the idea of punishment reflecting the severity of the crime, just the idea that that the appropriate punishment is necessarily one that recreates the crime. If someone is convicted of car theft, should the state take their car? If someone's convicted of assault, should the state have someone beat them up? Of course not. So why would appropriate punishment for killing someone have to be getting killed?

And, as already noted, if the point of capital punishment is to show that we value human life, that's certainly not evident from the list of other countries that also still execute people. It's predominantly a rogue's gallery of regimes known for their disregard for the value of human life and oppression of their citizens. Nearly all the countries with value similar to the ones we claim to hold have eliminated capital punishment.

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5 Current execution methods in the US

Hanging: Gruesome. Does not cause instant death

Electric chair: No one knows if it causes instant death.

Lethal injection: Who came up with that idea to use 3 drugs? Just give em a gigantic shot of heroin. Nope. Gotta love bureaucracy

Gas chamber: Causes pain similar to that of a heartattack

Shooting: I say the most humane. If I was in that predicament, I'd choose that.

There needs to be less oversight. We need to use proven methods, like shooting.

Hell, run em over even. My 6500lb 3/4 ton pickup truck can do a better job than the gas chamber.

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Most humane is no execution at all. That eliminates killing innocent people, does away with botched executions, and is cheaper overall.

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Frankly we waste too much time and money with death sentences that go unfulfilled. There are professional killers both legit (CIA, military, etc.) and non-legit (mercenaries, vigilantes, etc.) whom will do the job quickly, efficiently and cost effectively. Behavioral psych tells us that there are people among us who can fulfill this role and still be fully functional in society. Undoubtedly there would be large sums of money involved for this sort of service but realizing that it costs 30-60k a year for a prisoner in a general prison and an additional 90k for the death row inmate (Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center).., I think it would be a bargain!

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Fiscal conservatism would reject the economics of capital punishment. That's more evidence that such conservatism is more bluster than fact.

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I think executions should be performed by tossing the wrong-doer off a high cliff onto jagged rocks in shark-infested waters.

Gravity is free & sharks gotta eat too.

And I don't believe their would be any shortage of applicants to be the killer tossers

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