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He has survived the "fire storm" so far.

No Muller isn't finished yet, but for the millions of our money they have spent they sure haven't come up with much yet, and zero about Trump doing anything wrong.

Cohen tapes, well a lawyer isn't supposed to even have tapes, so how can we believe any of those at all, altered tapes?

Be patient.

This investigation had already resulted in indictment of Americans who have been breaking our laws. Surely, law and order conservatives want these grifters to experience justice.

Let's try not to pretend that the country didn't endure years of investigations under Republican leadership and direction. If y'all can sit quietly by and wait for the wrap up on a historical tragedy (Benghazi), then you ought to be able to stay on course long enough for this contemporary investigation into the ongoing Russian interference into our political and electoral processes.

Or, maybe conservative citizens just don't see the gravity of what's going on here? Maybe most of them believe that this Mueller investigation is essentially no different than Whitewater in terms of national security.

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No Muller isn't finished yet, but for the millions of our money they have spent they sure haven't come up with much yet, and zero about Trump doing anything wrong.

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For a more detailed description of the special counsel's investigation:

Special Counsel investigation (217-present) - Wikipedia

Seriously Daisy, this has got to be one of the most productive special counsel investigations ever. I know I'm impressed. How can you say that the investigation hasn't come up with much, with a straight face? Aren't you upset that the Russians interfered and tried to affect the outcome of an election in your country?

It makes me furious that they are doing it over in my part of the world, and I would expect any red-blooded American to feel equally protective of her/his country as I do of mine.

As far as Trump goes, we'll all have to wait and see.

Just curious why you would support someone who thinks Socialism is a good idea and how you think it will work/play out here in America.

Why socialism always fails - AEI

You want Socialism...as the old saying goes... be careful what you ask for, you might just get it!

That link you provided is describing Socialism the "Marx way", as a society that has a centrally planned economy without market prices or profits and where property is owned by the state. Are you seriously telling me that Ms Ocasio-Cortez wants to make the U.S. into the former U.S.S.R.?

First-world countries around the globe who have implemented universal healthcare are not Socialist in the way your "scary" link describes. You really should find out about the difference between a Democratic Socialist and a Karl Marx fan.

How do you think that life in for example Denmark, Canada, the UK, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, France or the Netherlands is like? What specific freedoms that you have, do you think that people in those countries lack?

I don't think that the country has been dragged to the right in the last 18mo, I think it is the fact that some dems have dragged the country so far to the left that maybe it feels like that to you because republicans are trying to get back to center.

In the parts of the world that I live in and travel to, the U.S. isn't considered particularly "left". I'm curious to know how you think that your country has been dragged so far to the left? Are there any specific things/policies/phenomena you have in mind, which have been implemented in the U.S. that are hallmark leftist? Apart from Trump's tariffs that is ;)

For what it's worth, taking the future composition of the Supreme Court out of the equation for now, I don't think that the most noticable shift since the 2016 election has been on the traditional left-right scale. The most prominent shift that is already having an impact is in my view, that you're moving away from democracy, rule of law, transparency and civil liberties, towards kleptocracy/autocracy, nepotism/swampy behavior extraordinaire and authoritarianism. You're not quite there yet, but the signs are deeply troubling.

By the way, what's with this "dems" thing? I hear and see your President say it all the time. You know I'm not a native speaker, but to my foreign ear Dems sounds sloppy and vaguely derogatory. Shall I call Republicans; Repubs or Repubics? (The mood I'm in, I kind of favor the latter :laugh:).

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Be patient.

This investigation had already resulted in indictment of Americans who have been breaking our laws. Surely, law and order conservatives want these grifters to experience justice.

Let's try not to pretend that the country didn't endure years of investigations under Republican leadership and direction. If y'all can sit quietly by and wait for the wrap up on a historical tragedy (Benghazi), then you ought to be able to stay on course long enough for this contemporary investigation into the ongoing Russian interference into our political and electoral processes.

Or, maybe conservative citizens just don't see the gravity of what's going on here? Maybe most of them believe that this Mueller investigation is essentially no different than Whitewater in terms of national security.

Or, maybe liberals don't see the gravity of what is going on. You want to talk about investigations? How about the lack of investigations of the liberals who broke the law. I do care about any attempt from foreigners in our elections. Russia did hack the DNC and the FBI 'tried' to obtain access to the computers but the DNC refused, really!! I don't know how that works, can you refuse the FBI and they just go away. How about Hillary Clinton emails, she destroyed 33,000 emails and smashed her phones etc AFTER they were subpoenaed and what happened, an off the record "interview" between her and the FBI, and others that worked for her were given immunity BEFORE the investigators even talked to them, seriously that level of corruption should make everyone worry! Now contrast that with the Mueller investigation. Anyone see a difference? Don't get me wrong, I think that all those who committed crimes should be help accountable. But all I see/here from the left are excuses and/or denials when it is a Democrat who breaks the law. And, of course when it is illegal immigrants voting (ie affecting the outcome of the election), that is OK, because its different.

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And I would say that right back to you and other conservatives. You wished for and got, a corrupt, ignorant, embarrassment of a president. For some reason you all love him. I just don't get that.

I didn't say I loved him either! Maybe you are projecting your hate of him onto others. The government was corrupt long before Trump was elected, that is one of the reasons he was elected, people were tired of it and wanted a change. You know, that hope and change that Obama never produced.

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In Oklahoma and California I was blessed to be able to read books from public libraries. An American socialist locally provided entity that many millions of us have benefited from, and continue to. Some members here have not had computer access and use the ones at their public library.

The only socialist healthcare administration is the Veterans Administration hospitals, clinics, rehab, and long term care for our veterans.

The Institute of Medicine, Joint Commission, and many state departments of public health have rated the VA care as equal or better than most healthcare providers and facilities.

News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs

While not perfect our socialist public schools have education most Americans during our entire history.

Most of the nurses, physicians, and other healthcare professionals who I've worked with and who have care for my family attended public schools and higher education. More socialism.

Most of us want to keep and improve Medicare, which pays for most healthcare for older and disabled Americans. It prevents having fmilies go broke and depriving their kids to pay for grandparents healthcare.

I like the plan of using private hospitals, physicians offices and clinics while the Medicare payments are socialized. I wish it were available for all ages.

I'm very glad for the government provided fire departments that are working so hard in my state now.

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I didn't say I loved him either! Maybe you are projecting your hate of him onto others. The government was corrupt long before Trump was elected, that is one of the reasons he was elected, people were tired of it and wanted a change. You know, that hope and change that Obama never produced.

Wow.

The folks who voted for Trump because they wanted to move away from government corruption must be sorely disappointed!

What did they get?

The most corrupt administration ever!

Tom Price.

Ivanka Trump

Jared Kushner

Scott Pruitt

Donald Trump

Paul Manafort

MIchael Flynn

Donald Trump.

All of these has been pointed out to you all, ad nauseam.

Please, continue to deny, deny, deny, or scurry and hide in a corner, like a mouse.

That is what usually happens because you all have nothing in tank, but some whataboutisms, that deflect from the issue you are asked to address.

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And I would say that right back to you and other conservatives. You wished for and got, a corrupt, ignorant, embarrassment of a president. For some reason you all love him. I just don't get that.

No, once again, we don't all love him. So please stop painting everyone to the right of yourself with the same brush.

I don't think that BCgradnurse was referring to each and every conservative when she used the word "you". I think the post I quoted is addressed to people who voted for Trump despite being fully aware of all of his flaws and character shortcomings and who keep on supporting him to this day.

I've seen many conservatives, politicians as well as others, who've publically voiced their disapproval with both things Trump has said and done and some of the policies that he's implemented. I know he's not loved across the board. That said, he does in my opinion get shockingly high approval numbers when Republican voters are polled.

Chare, what I would really love to see, is that more conservative-leaning members on this forum, would actively speak out when Trump does something that is simply outrageous. There are so many examples, but one of the things I would like to see conservatives here condemn in very clear terms, is the Helsinki fiasco.

Your President had to take several days to ponder whether he would agree to making a U.S. diplomat, a former U.S. ambassador, available to the Russians to be questioned by them??

That "offer" should have been met with an instantaneous no way, Vlad. The fact that he initially responded positively, is frankly horrifying.

About Helsinki, wouldn't you want to know what Trump and Putin discussed during that meeting? Wouldn't you all want to know if Trump has committed to anything?

I think it's really strange that the U.S. Congress and the American people do not know the answer to that question.

This last part isn't directed at you specifically Chare, it's more of a general reflection. I guess for me personally, I interpret every poster who never voices specific criticism of Trump (saying that you kind of, sort of, don't approve of his use of crude language doesn't count), to be a Trump loyalist. My rationale here is that so many of the things he says and does are so far removed from the norm and what's considered civilized behavior, that if you don't find any of it bad enough that you simply have to criticize it, you're in fact okay with it. It might not be fair, but that's how I see it.

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He has survived the "fire storm" so far.

No Muller isn't finished yet, but for the millions of our money they have spent they sure haven't come up with much yet, and zero about Trump doing anything wrong.

Cohen tapes, well a lawyer isn't supposed to even have tapes, so how can we believe any of those at all, altered tapes?

Hasn't come up with anything???

Get your head out of the sand, Daisy!

If you would get your head out of the sand, you would know that Paul Manafort's first trial begins this week.

His second starts in September.

The Mueller investigation isn't over.

But the ball is beginning to roll!

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I though we cleared this up on the other thread, so anyone who has a different opinion than you is the enemy? Just sad!

I have no idea what you are referring to, Daisy.

Yep, you are right.

I disagree with White Nationalists, xenophobic, racist, homophobic and misogynist people.

And yes, I consider the above mentioned the enemy.

And guess what? I am more than okay with that statement.

Unfortunately, those folks largely make up the crowd supporting Trump.

So yes, the enemy.

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Macawake,

Of course I am upset about anyone intruding on our election process. The question is why don't the Democrats (sorry, I didn't mean to offend your sensibilities) care when Clinton/DNC did it, and when illegal immigrants do it (and don't even try to say they don't).

I am only calling Ocaseo-Cortez what she calls herself a Democratic Socialist. Her ideas are socialist (or whatever you want to call it) and my point is how will we all pay for those policies she wants to implement , and nobody has answered that question yet.

I don't think Trump is moving away from Democracy/rule of law, he is moving toward it. It is the left who is wanting to do away with ICE, and who cries racist when Trump/admin try to enforce the laws that were created by Congress long before Trump took office.

And I am not convinced that Socialism (type) systems would work here in America (because of our size) or that they are working that great in other countries. I am providing a link and would appreciate your opinion since you live there (seriously, I truly mean that).

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Please, Trumpsters, tell your guy to shut down the government in September or funding for his moronic border wall.

Please Trumpsters, BEG him to do!

It would be a wonderful gift for our side.

Please, do all you can to encourage him to shutdown the government over a border wall!

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Macawake,

Of course I am upset about anyone intruding on our election process. The question is why don't the Democrats (sorry, I didn't mean to offend your sensibilities) care when Clinton/DNC did it, and when illegal immigrants do it (and don't even try to say they don't).

I am only calling Ocaseo-Cortez what she calls herself a Democratic Socialist. Her ideas are socialist (or whatever you want to call it) and my point is how will we all pay for those policies she wants to implement , and nobody has answered that question yet.

I don't think Trump is moving away from Democracy/rule of law, he is moving toward it. It is the left who is wanting to do away with ICE, and who cries racist when Trump/admin try to enforce the laws that were created by Congress long before Trump took office.

And I am not convinced that Socialism (type) systems would work here in America (because of our size) or that they are working that great in other countries. I am providing a link and would appreciate your opinion since you live there (seriously, I truly mean that).

Hilarious, Daisy!

You are dead set on believing the lie that all these illegal immigrants are voting!

Most people have moved past that talking point because there is just no proof of it.

A handful of people does not make a trend.

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