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What kind of assistance are they getting from the government? I honestly don't know, so that's why I'm asking.

I also want to add that I was the beneficiary of a loan forgiveness program. After finishing NP school I worked for 3 years with an under-served population in return for student loan forgiveness. It was a win-win situation for all involved. I'd hate to see those programs disappear, although I ... end quote

I am not talking about programs like yours, I agree those are good, win/win!

New report shows Ivy League schools get more federal funding than some states | The Daily Pennsylvanian

If I read the article correctly, a good deal of that money is in the form of research grants and contracts. I don't see that as being a handout to the schools. Money for Pell grants and work-study programs get passed along to students, I assume. Again, not a handout for the school itself. I'm not sure how I feel about the tax exempt status, except to say if the schools are on the hook for taxes, then megachurches and other religious organizations should pay taxes, too.

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If I read the article correctly, a good deal of that money is in the form of research grants and contracts. I don't see that as being a handout to the schools. Money for Pell grants and work-study programs get passed along to students, I assume. Again, not a handout for the school itself. I'm not sure how I feel about the tax exempt status, except to say if the schools are on the hook for taxes, then megachurches and other religious organizations should pay taxes, too.

I don't see a problem with some of it. The amount though is way over the top to give to private schools who already have more than enough money. It is still taxpayer money being given to a private organization and some of the research projects are sketchy at best, and even if they were all on the up and up it's still too much money. It is, in a sense, a handout for the school itself because it is funds they do not have to use from their endowment. I just think that all government spending (ie tax payer money) should be looked at in a sense of is it necessary, and/or, could it be better spent elsewhere. Private schools should pay there fair share of taxes, but not only are they not, they are getting these tax dollars on top of it. As, far as Churches go, they are not the same type of entities as schools (unless they are running a school also).

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I don't see a problem with some of it. The amount though is way over the top to give to private schools who already have more than enough money. It is still taxpayer money being given to a private organization and some of the research projects are sketchy at best, and even if they were all on the up and up it's still too much money. It is, in a sense, a handout for the school itself because it is funds they do not have to use from their endowment. I just think that all government spending (ie tax payer money) should be looked at in a sense of is it necessary, and/or, could it be better spent elsewhere. Private schools should pay there fair share of taxes, but not only are they not, they are getting these tax dollars on top of it. As, far as Churches go, they are not the same type of entities as schools (unless they are running a school also).

So, you are against Charter schools receiving taxpayer money?

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I don't see a problem with some of it. The amount though is way over the top to give to private schools who already have more than enough money. It is still taxpayer money being given to a private organization and some of the research projects are sketchy at best, and even if they were all on the up and up it's still too much money. It is, in a sense, a handout for the school itself because it is funds they do not have to use from their endowment. I just think that all government spending (ie tax payer money) should be looked at in a sense of is it necessary, and/or, could it be better spent elsewhere. Private schools should pay there fair share of taxes, but not only are they not, they are getting these tax dollars on top of it. As, far as Churches go, they are not the same type of entities as schools (unless they are running a school also).

I know that churches are different entities from schools, but why should they also benefit from a tax exempt status, when there are these megachurches that are worth millions, and their leaders (Joel Osteen comes to mind) are living high off the hog while begging for money from their members? That doesn't seem right to me, and seems very much like what the schools are accused of doing. In fact, I think it's obscene.

I am all for schools, public and private, participating in research to further knowledge, and am ok with researchers and faculty applying for, and being awarded grant money from the government or other entities. I am not ok with charging students exorbitant sums of money when they have endowments that can sustain the school ad infinitum. I am not ok with schools catering to athletes and giving them a free ride (along with special housing and other perks), when other highly qualified students cannot gain admission or get financial aid from the school. I am not ok with the government giving huge tax breaks to corporations and not looking to help students who want to further their educations. That's so shortsighted. An educated population is good for the country. These are some of the things I hope the Democrats will address.

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So, you are against Charter schools receiving taxpayer money?

No, because charter schools are not the same as Ivy League colleges. They get funds based on a per pupil basis (no big buck money etc), and they accept anyone, random, lottery etc. Plus these kids would be going to school anyway so not really an extra cost. The colleges obviously do not accept random people or by lottery and those college kids are not obligated to go to college like younger children are. So, in a sense if your kid is going to state college and you are paying for it, you are also paying (with your tax dollars) for someone else to go to Harvard and/or fund a "reserach" project etc.

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I know that churches are different entities from schools, but why should they also benefit from a tax exempt status, when there are these megachurches that are worth millions, and their leaders (Joel Osteen comes to mind) are living high off the hog while begging for money from their members? That doesn't seem right to me, and seems very much like what the schools are accused of doing. In fact, I think it's obscene.

I am all for schools, public and private, participating in research to further knowledge, and am ok with researchers and faculty applying for, and being awarded grant money from the government or other entities. I am not ok with charging students exorbitant sums of money when they have endowments that can sustain the school ad infinitum. I am not ok with schools catering to athletes and giving them a free ride (along with special housing and other perks), when other highly qualified students cannot gain admission or get financial aid from the school. I am not ok with the government giving huge tax breaks to corporations and not looking to help students who want to further their educations. That's so shortsighted. An educated population is good for the country. These are some of the things I hope the Democrats will address.

There are many ways the gov wastes money

McCain: Government spent $294B on expired programs | TheHill

NIH: 87.5% of Research ‘May Be Wasteful’

Here’s a list of really stupid crap feds pay universities to waste taxpayer money on - The College Fix

Like I said I am ok with some research , but there is way too much wasteful "research". I think that if a private school does not take any gov money than they can do what they want, including sports scholarships, but when they take our tax payer money they should be accountable and I agree it should go for tuition first. I totally agree that we need an educated people, not everyone can or wants to go, so that money could also be used for vocational programs as well.

I think the money we tax payers give to the gov should be used in an appropriate manner, and I didn't even address all of their personal expenditures that we get stuck with. Healthcare and schools would be much better off with the money we could give them from some of these unnecessary research projects. And, yes I would be willing to look at mega churches also. As far as corporations go I am not sure what you mean, some get benefits related to production/saving the company/jobs, and in some cases I am ok with that just like I am ok with some research.

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There are many ways the gov wastes money

McCain: Government spent $294B on expired programs | TheHill

NIH: 87.5% of Research 'May Be Wasteful'

Here's a list of really stupid crap feds pay universities to waste taxpayer money on - The College Fix

Like I said I am ok with some research , but there is way too much wasteful "research". I think that if a private school does not take any gov money than they can do what they want, including sports scholarships, but when they take our tax payer money they should be accountable and I agree it should go for tuition first. I totally agree that we need an educated people, not everyone can or wants to go, so that money could also be used for vocational programs as well.

I think the money we tax payers give to the gov should be used in an appropriate manner, and I didn't even address all of their personal expenditures that we get stuck with. Healthcare and schools would be much better off with the money we could give them from some of these unnecessary research projects. And, yes I would be willing to look at mega churches also. As far as corporations go I am not sure what you mean, some get benefits related to production/saving the company/jobs, and in some cases I am ok with that just like I am ok with some research.

I think one thing we can all agree on is that the government wastes money. We may have different ideas on which programs we consider wasteful and which we consider appropriate, but nonetheless, the waste is there.

Getting back to research, one might argue that a lot of research is wasteful, as it often does not bring new ideas, products, etc. to fruition. But that is the very nature of research-it's looking at an unknown, and proof of theories is never guaranteed. Most biomedical research never results in new treatments, new discoveries, or better outcomes for patients. So should we stop because the yield is low? Or should we continue in hopes that knowledge is advanced, which might then point to another theory or avenue that could lead to something that can change lives?

I know I've gone off a bit on a tangent here and I do not mean to derail the thread. I believe strongly in science and research, and don't want to see that stifled in the current or future administrations.

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No, because charter schools are not the same as Ivy League colleges. They get funds based on a per pupil basis (no big buck money etc), and they accept anyone, random, lottery etc. Plus these kids would be going to school anyway so not really an extra cost. The colleges obviously do not accept random people or by lottery and those college kids are not obligated to go to college like younger children are. So, in a sense if your kid is going to state college and you are paying for it, you are also paying (with your tax dollars) for someone else to go to Harvard and/or fund a "reserach" project etc.

It might be naive to believe that charter schools freely accept any and all students.

Special Report: Class Struggle - How charter schools get students they want | Reuters

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It might be naive to believe that charter schools freely accept any and all students.

Special Report: Class Struggle - How charter schools get students they want | Reuters

I was going to comment on that, also. You beat me to it. Some of them are v. clever about only accepting the students they want to accept. And some of them are notorious for wasting public education funds, and for performing even worse than the public schools they are a supposedly "better" alternative to.

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I think that if a private school does not take any gov money than they can do what they want, including sports scholarships, but when they take our tax payer money they should be accountable and I agree it should go for tuition first.

You're aware that public colleges and universities offer sports scholarships, too, right? Who do you think is funding those scholarships?

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You're aware that public colleges and universities offer sports scholarships, too, right? Who do you think is funding those scholarships?

Yes, that comment was to BCgrad re: athletes getting a free ride in school instead of qualified students or financial aid to others. My point was if it is truly a private organization (Ivy league school) then they can do what they want, but they do take tax dollars so should be held to account. And, so should Charter schools.

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Yikes!!!

How did I get "quoted" above, for something I didn't write, and don't agree with?

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