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44 minutes ago, SC_RNDude said:

So, if you had never been fined you would still not be wearing a seatbelt?

If someone doesn’t lock their guns because they don’t think their child is going to get to it, is the threat of going to jail if their child does get to it and does harm going to change their behavior?

How can I possibly answer that question?

I obviously can't.

As I stated twice before, the fine changed my behavior.

I don't possess a time machine, to allow myself a redo in the past.

Do you?

Why on earth would parents choose to not lock up the guns because they "don't think" their child will get to it?

Seriously flawed thinking.

After all, parents are instructed to lock up medicine cabinets and household cleaners because it is expected that curious kids will get into things, and they do.

Are guns less lethal than OTC medications, and household cleaners?

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16 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

Please clarify your last paragraph.

I understand RI is one of two dozens that requires physicians to drug test pregnant women, if drug abuse is suspected, and as a result, those women will be sent to the head of the line, for inpatient treatment of chemical dependency.

Treatment is not the same, as imprisonment.

To help me understand your point, please clarify.

 

Substance abuse during pregnancy may be grounds for criminal charges of child abuse in many states, including  NH and RI.

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MS-13 Gang Accused in a Gruesome Murder Spree Around LA

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The case is the culmination of a two-year-long investigation by the FBI, Los Angeles Police Department and Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/MS-13-Gang-Member-Crime-Los-Angeles-Murders-Angeles-Forest-512776221.html

 

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MS-13 used gruesome tactics, fake Facebook profile in reign of terror, prosecutors say

Twenty-two people allegedly affiliated with MS-13’s Fulton clique in the San Fernando Valley were indicted by a grand jury, most on racketeering charges that include nearly 200 alleged criminal acts over nine years, including killings that authorities called “medieval.”...   

...   Four people were killed in the Angeles National Forest by members of the Fulton clique wielding machetes, baseball bats and knives, the indictment alleges. Along with a slaying in the Malibu hills and another in Whitsett Fields Park in North Hollywood — the clique’s “stronghold,” prosecutors said — the six killings were committed by gang members hoping to gain entry into or advance within the clique’s ranks, according to the indictment.
Of the 22 defendants, 19 had entered the United States illegally in the last three or four years, according to Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Los Angeles. Many of their victims had recently come to the country as well, officials said. “These gang members sought out young victims in their teens and early 20s who were new to this country. Many had recently immigrated from El Salvador and Honduras. They were alone, looking to fit in with others from their native countries,” Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. Jackie Lacey said...

Victim allegedly lured by Fake Facebook profile. Gerardo Alvarado and Bryan Alberto Ordones used a fake Facebook profile, purporting to belong to a girl, to lure another victim to Angeles National Forest, according to the indictment. The victim, identified as “G.B.,” was driven by Alvarado and Ordones into the forest, where three other MS-13 affiliates were waiting, the indictment says. After killing him with a machete, prosecutors allege, the gang removed his clothes and two pendants depicting Santa Muerte –- the saint of death in folklore. Alvarado later posed for pictures wearing one of the pendants, the indictment says. ...

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-07-17/ms-13-used-gruesome-tactics-fake-facebook-profile-in-reign-of-terror-prosecutors-say

 

 

 

 

 

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'This Is On You': After Months of Stalling, Democrats Demand McConnell Reconvene Senate to Vote on Universal Background Checks

"The House passed HR8, a Bipartisan Background Checks Act, five months ago and the Senate has yet to vote on it. You've been sitting on it since February giving bogus excuses. Care to explain the people why?"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/04/you-after-months-stalling-democrats-demand-mcconnell-reconvene-senate-vote-universal 

 

 

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On 8/4/2019 at 1:51 PM, herring_RN said:

'This Is On You': After Months of Stalling, Democrats Demand McConnell Reconvene Senate to Vote on Universal Background Checks

"The House passed HR8, a Bipartisan Background Checks Act, five months ago and the Senate has yet to vote on it. You've been sitting on it since February giving bogus excuses. Care to explain the people why?"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/04/you-after-months-stalling-democrats-demand-mcconnell-reconvene-senate-vote-universal 

 

 

There already are background checks.  Try keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally deranged. 

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35 minutes ago, Turtlellini said:

There already are background checks.  Try keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally deranged. 

You could email the president with your suggestion.

Trump Rolls Back Obama Regulation

 

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1 hour ago, Turtlellini said:

There already are background checks.  Try keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally deranged. 

Yes, but this close the so-called gun show loophole. If background checks already exist, why would McConnell not bring it to a vote? And what if it aided in keeping a weapon out of the hands of a 'mental deranged' (what ever that means) person? I should think a responsible gun owner would be interested in the safely of the public. 

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 I think Congress needs a comprehensive discussion about Background checks.  

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The Virginia Tech shooter

In 2007, 32 people were shot and killed and 17 others were wounded at Virginia Tech. The shooter was prohibited from possessing firearms due to a court judgment that he was a danger to himself and others, but his records were never submitted to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (“NICS”). As a result, he was able to pass several background checks to purchase the guns he used in the shooting...

https://everytownresearch.org/reports/fatal-gaps-mental-health-records/

 

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Research Suggests Gun Background Checks Work, But They're Not Everything

https://www.npr.org/2016/01/09/462252799/research-suggests-gun-background-checks-work-but-theyre-not-everything 

 

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I've said it before, it's kind of worrisome that we separate it into a liberal vs. conservative issue.

The conservative mindset and what people are up against. 

 

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Rep. Candice Keller (R-Middletown) began her post by saying “liberals start the blame game” after every mass shooting and “why not place the blame where it belongs?”

“The breakdown of the traditional American family(thank you, transgender, homosexual marriage, and drag queen advocates); fatherlessness, a subject no one discusses or believes is relevant; the ignoring of violent video games; the relaxing of laws against criminals(open borders); the acceptance of recreational marijuana; failed school policies(hello, parents who defend misbehaving students): disrespect to law enforcement(thank you, Obama)."

https://www.10tv.com/article/ohio-lawmaker-blames-dayton-shootings-gay-marriage-marijuana-video-games-2019-aug

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3 hours ago, Turtlellini said:

There already are background checks.  Try keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally deranged. 

Wonder why Trump suggest it in exchange for immigration reform then?

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I think gang members are terrorists just as the mass killers are.

I want to post again because we have new members.

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We recognized that screaming for more police, prosecutors and draconian jail sentences wouldn't stop the mayhem. It would take an angered, fearless and proactive community effort. We launched a broad campaign that we called "Get the Killers Off the Streets."

We prodded family members, friends and relatives of young men and women gunned down to stand with us in a series of roving neighborhood candlelight vigils and marches.

We circulated fliers with a hotline number that witnesses could call to provide information and remain anonymous.

We asked callers to provide license plate numbers and car descriptions and, in some cases, to name names.

This information was passed on in confidence to police liaison officials. We knew that getting people, many of whom had information, to shed their fear of retaliation and provide information anonymously was key to making a dent in curbing the violence. In more than a few cases, this resulted in quick arrests...

... The murder rate in South LA plunged dramatically, and it has stayed down. Just knowing that our efforts spared a family from grieving over the murder of a son or a daughter made all of our efforts worth it. 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-los-angeles-chicago-crime-murder-violence-black-lives-perspec-0709-jm-20150708-story.html 

The police liaison officials who took the reports and called the police were retired seniors. They not only reported witnessed crimes, but made a report when a law abiding gun owner was visited by a family member on parole or probation, when they saw someone appear to put a gun in the trunk or under the seat. Police officers would then stop and search the vehicle. If there was a firearm the person on parole or  probation is back in custody finishing the sentence. The family who let a parolee stay has their firearm confiscated. If the person is undocumented ICE is notified. 

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Firearm homicide rates in California have dramatically declined since the mid-2000s in urban areas in California...

...   For urban counties in general, the decline in homicide rates was “driven by reductions in homicides in Los Angeles County among men of color,” researchers said....

https://thecrimereport.org/2018/04/26/gang-violence-decline-held-responsible-for-drop-in-california-gun-deaths/

 

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5 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Yes, but this close the so-called gun show loophole. If background checks already exist, why would McConnell not bring it to a vote? And what if it aided in keeping a weapon out of the hands of a 'mental deranged' (what ever that means) person? I should think a responsible gun owner would be interested in the safely of the public. 

What in these new laws proposed by Democrats would have stopped any of these shootings?  The Dayton shooter purchased his gun legally and had no red flags in his background.  Not sure about the El Paso murderer.

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