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Thanks herring.  Good information. 

Saw this earlier today but just got home.  Students who don't want this politicized at a vigil. Makes sense to me.  (short video)

 

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41 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

Thanks herring.  Good information. 

Saw this earlier today but just got home.  Students who don't want this politicized at a vigil. Makes sense to me.  (short video)

 

I think that vigils should be respected.  But I don't understand that they don't want violence in schools to be used as a political prop.  Totally disagree with that.  The violence in schools is a political issue.  The vigil, let me repeat should be a respectful vigil where people are allowed to morn.  I get that.

Many parents have taken their child and brought their pictures to rallies.  Are they using them as a "political prop"?  

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40 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I think that vigils should be respected.  But I don't understand that they don't want violence in schools to be used as a political prop.  Totally disagree with that.  The violence in schools is a political issue.  The vigil, let me repeat should be a respectful vigil where people are allowed to morn.  I get that.

Many parents have taken their child and brought their pictures to rallies.  Are they using them as a "political prop"?  

This was supposed to be merely a vigil in remembrance of a fellow student who lost his life and for the students who were injured. 

Leave the politics aside for one night.  That was the students request.  How is honoring that a bad thing? 

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The event, organized by Team Enough — the student-led initiative of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence — was intended to be an interfaith vigil to honor the STEM School Highlands Ranch shooting survivors and 18-year-old Kendrick Castillo, who died Tuesday after trying to stop one of the shooters.

 
 

Hundreds of grieving students, parents, and community members packed the Highlands Ranch school's gym, but their anger and frustration became apparent after none of the STEM students themselves had a chance to speak about Castillo at the vigil.

Instead, several speakers — including Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Michael Bennet, Democratic Rep. Jason Crow, and a Moms Demand Action volunteer, Laura Reeves — addressed the need for gun control legislation. 

 https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/colorado-students-protest-school-shooting-vigil-political

Can those adults just admit they made a boo boo and apologize? (In further searching, I found one late this afternoon):

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The Brady Campaign issued an apology Thursday afternoon, saying that all efforts should be focused on providing support to the students, faculty, and families affected by the tragic shooting.

"We are here to lift up the voices of victims and survivors...We are deeply sorry any part of this vigil did not provide the support, caring and sense of community we sought to foster and facilitate and which we know is so crucial to communities who suffer the trauma of gun violence," the statement said.

 

 

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Of course the terrorism of street gangs is different from a school shooting. What helped a lot using current gun laws to get gang members arrested will almost never prevent a school shooting.

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Colorado school shooting suspects weren't on law enforcement's radar

Both of the suspects in the deadly shooting at a Colorado charter school were students at the school but weren't on law enforcement's radar as a possible threat, authorities said. Police said 18-year-old Devon Erickson and another student started shooting inside classrooms at STEM School Highlands Ranch Tuesday afternoon…

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-stem-school-highlands-ranch-shooting-suspects-devon-erickson-female-juvenile-law-enforcements-radar/

 

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'Perfect storm': District letter documents fears of another 'Columbine' at STEM School

Douglas County School District received an anonymous call from a parent claiming a "perfect-storm."

A Douglas County School District letter describes a list of serious concerns from a parent who feared there may be "a repeat of Columbine" at STEM School Highlands Ranch months before Tuesday’s fatal shooting…

…   Daniel Winsor, director of choice planning at Douglas County School District, wrote the letter on Dec. 19, 2018. It was sent to STEM School Executive Director Penelope Eucker. 

In the letter Winsor outlines an anonymous call from a parent made to Douglas County School Board of Education Director Wendy Vogel. According to the letter, the parent told Vogel the school has issues with bullying, drug use and violence.  

“Many students are suicidal and violent in school,” the letter says, citing the parent’s phone call. 

The letter also outlines concerns about the “high pressure” environment at the school. It says the parent called it “the perfect-storm” and “expressed concerns about a repeat of Columbine or Arapahoe.”…

https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/perfect-storm-district-letter-documents-fears-of-another-columbine-at-stem-school/73-13ddc8c2-90c4-4919-a3c2-f1917cf941b8 

 

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Wow herring . . . as a former school district employee, this is troublesome.  

 

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8 hours ago, Spidey's mom said:

This was supposed to be merely a vigil in remembrance of a fellow student who lost his life and for the students who were injured. 

Leave the politics aside for one night.  That was the students request.  How is honoring that a bad thing? 

Can those adults just admit they made a boo boo and apologize? (In further searching, I found one late this afternoon):

 

I agee with you and was being a bit nitpicky disagreeing with what one of the students was saying that gun violence shouldn't be politicized.  Parents of victims often get political using their child's death to emphasize the pain, hurt and destruction that gun violence causes.  

It should be a political issue, but there's a time and place.   I did say twice it shouldn't be at a vigil.

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11 hours ago, Spidey's mom said:

Wow herring . . . as a former school district employee, this is troublesome.  

 

Are you surprised?

There are countless stories, daily, of young children committing suicide over school bullying.

Kids as young as 10, are killing themselves.

Columbine, some 20 years ago, was caused by bullying.

Now, add in the fact the NRA has worked very hard to further weaken and erode gun laws, in the past 20 years, and nobody should be surprised or shocked by the increase in school shootings.

When I worked as a pharmacy tech, part-time, prior to nursing school, I was AMAZED by the number of people on anti-anxiety and anti-depressants.

We are a nation filled with mental illness.

Add in easy access to guns, and you have the situation we have today.

Children suffer from the same anxiety and depression as adults.

The problem will get worse, when you factor in all the babies born with neonatal abstinence syndrome.

We don't really know how their brains are being affected, just yet.

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23 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

What is truly disgusting, the NRA, and it's supporters, making access to guns ever easier.

That is disgusting.

What is truly disgusting, the fact that children attending school today have to worry that they will be killed for being at school.

What is truly disgusting, the fact that no adult or child in this country, can attend a concert or worship services without the fear if being killed.

That is disgusting.

Those students are grieving.

When they reach the anger stage, they will most likely turn to the adults around them and demand to know why they didn't keep guns away from children.

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13 hours ago, Spidey's mom said:

This was supposed to be merely a vigil in remembrance of a fellow student who lost his life and for the students who were injured. 

Leave the politics aside for one night.  That was the students request.  How is honoring that a bad thing? 

Can those adults just admit they made a boo boo and apologize? (In further searching, I found one late this afternoon):

 

Looks like you posted an apology.

It is my understanding that the Brady Campaign handled that vigil, and now they have apologized.

Will the NRA apologize?

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57 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

Are you surprised?

 

I said it was troublesome and meant that this event was foreshadowed by a letter from a parent. 

That's troublesome.  We need to fix that but the truth is, as a school district employee, we did get a lot of letters, emails, and personal visits about issues and sometimes it is difficult to ferret them out.

I'm not surprised. 

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14 minutes ago, Spidey's mom said:

I said it was troublesome and meant that this event was foreshadowed by a letter from a parent. 

That's troublesome.  We need to fix that but the truth is, as a school district employee, we did get a lot of letters, emails, and personal visits about issues and sometimes it is difficult to ferret them out.

I'm not surprised. 

In this case, the parent's concerns appear to be spot on.

What is troublesome, is the charter school's response.

I read something in CNN report, that the school was going after the concerned parent for defamation.

Right now, I am listening to On Point. The segment is about suicide.

It is the number two cause of death for ages 15-34.

Suicide is actually going up, as cause of death, in several age groups.

Beating out cancer and heart disease.

I understand why those students were chanting Mental Health.

One of my first nursing jobs was at a psychiatric facility.

Yes, more mental services.

No, to more guns.

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Yes to more mental heath should be the key to this discussion. The disjointed nature of our mental health system leave much to be desired in the day to day activities of people who are in need of those services.

It is my belief that many of the mental health issue suffer from a breakdown at the primary level. How are we encouraging people to deal with personal mental health issues when the culture of today is one of, "I want to see results now!". This has led to an increase of patients not continuing medication regiments, sending them into regressive depression.

Another attributable factor is the constant self administration of endorphins through group assurance. We can now surround ourselves with those who affirm us and make us feel good. We are slowly taking away our ability to handle negative and stressful situations by insulating ourselves from the things , and people, we don't like. 

The tools that are used in acts of evil are not themselves evil. To stand on these children's graves and push for "something to be done!" is only a veiled attempt to remove the thing you don't like. Be it guns, knives, hammers, etc. 

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