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19 minutes ago, BCgradnurse said:

And it's going to keep happening as long as the NRA has a stranglehold on our legislators.  Some would prefer we continue to  martyr our children rather than take a serious look at gun control.

At the present time, I’m a 10 minute drive from that school.  I know two families who had children at that school.  

It’s been 24 hours since this happened.

At this point, we don’t know what if any new gun control would have done anything.  Maybe, maybe not.

Perhaps we can save the political BS on this topic for another day until we at least know more about how this happened.

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4 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

At the present time, I’m a 10 minute drive from that school.  I know two families who had children at that school.  

It’s been 24 hours since this happened.

At this point, we don’t know what if any new gun control would have done anything.  Maybe, maybe not.

Perhaps we can save the political BS on this topic for another day until we at least know more about how this happened.

I am very sorry gun violence has struck close to where you live.

And I don't know the gun laws in CO, but in many states, the age to purchase cigarettes is now 21.

What is the legal age to purchase a gun in CO?

One shooter was 18, and the other younger than that.

Where did the pair get the guns?

Does CO have a safe storage law?

That would require owners of guns to keep them in locked gun safe.

Kids wouldn't have easy access to guns in the home.

The NRA has pushed to weaken conceal carry laws in many states, including my own.

The result is, people stealing guns out of parked cars.

So, there are three gun safety laws that CO could look into to prevent further carnage.

None of them are political bs.

Just good, common sense measures.

Best of luck to your friends children.

I hope they are able to receive counseling.

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5 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

At the present time, I’m a 10 minute drive from that school.  I know two families who had children at that school.  

It’s been 24 hours since this happened.

At this point, we don’t know what if any new gun control would have done anything.  Maybe, maybe not.

Perhaps we can save the political BS on this topic for another day until we at least know more about how this happened.

We do know unequivocally that thoughts and prayers and persistent inaction by Congress are completely ineffective in providing for the safety of the American citizens against 2nd amendment terrorists.

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

We do know unequivocally that thoughts and prayers and persistent inaction by Congress are completely ineffective in providing for the safety of the American citizens against 2nd amendment terrorists.

What in the world is a 2nd Amendment terrorist?

 

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11 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

We do know unequivocally that thoughts and prayers and persistent inaction by Congress are completely ineffective in providing for the safety of the American citizens against 2nd amendment terrorists.

And we do know, that two young people, who should not have had access to guns, somehow got a hold of guns, and went on a killing spree.

In a nation awash with guns, nobody should be surprised.

My heart goes out to the students in this country, who must deal daily, with the reality of gun violence in schools.

I hope some of them have an adult in their life who willing to do something about the problem.

Unfortunately, it seems many adults don't care, until it is too late.

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17 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

At the present time, I’m a 10 minute drive from that school.  I know two families who had children at that school.  

It’s been 24 hours since this happened.

At this point, we don’t know what if any new gun control would have done anything.  Maybe, maybe not.

Perhaps we can save the political BS on this topic for another day until we at least know more about how this happened.

I'm sorry that your community has to go through this.

So when do you think is the right waiting period before we can talk about this?  How many more children have to die before the issue of guns in this country is addressed?  This is sadly, not a new phenomenon in this country.  Saving lives is not political BS.  The NRA is the epitome of political BS.  

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19 hours ago, SC_RNDude said:

At the present time, I’m a 10 minute drive from that school.  I know two families who had children at that school.  

It’s been 24 hours since this happened.

At this point, we don’t know what if any new gun control would have done anything.  Maybe, maybe not.

Perhaps we can save the political BS on this topic for another day until we at least know more about how this happened.

Hi SC.  I agree. 

Just now reading more of the full story about what happened.  We still don't know how these perps got the firearms as far as I can tell. 

As the former school nurse here, we had an organization come and teach us about how to respond in a situation like this and yes, confronting the shooter was one of the ways.  The same training goes on at most public entities now, even our hospital. 

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/how-these-hero-students-stopped-the-suspected-highlands-ranch-school-shooter?fbclid=IwAR2_AVqA-xyiXs3HBbCYmSe3ekk2Q8Xbd7uis7CsB1ugJT6H2wMc6p6Uh60

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We must be prepared at all times and in all places to become victims of domestic terrorism. Much more effort and energy is spent defending our right to own as many of any type firearm than is spent defending the public from gun violence. Our children die to insure that angry men have uninfringed access to the tools of war. 

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When I was teaching at a technical college, we had a yearly active shooter drill. Each time the teachers pointed out serious issues that left us unable to carry out suggested responses, such as locking classroom doors. The doors could only be locked from the outside, where predictably a shooter would approach. And it seems backwards to make students responsible to stop gun deaths. 

It breaks my heart to think that my 2 grandkids are doing these drills too, and that kevlar backpacks are a thing. 

People react to tragedy is different ways, and anger is certainly one of them. I am not sure it's fair to criticize posters who offer suggestions on how to stop the killings. There have been 15 school shootings this year. 

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A few years ago I posted about what some people in South Los Angeles did when street gangs were terrorizing their neighborhoods. Gang members with illegal guns were killing people every day in their neighborhoods. Also innocent Black teens and young men were sometimes killed by police who thought they were gang members up to no good.

About fifteen years ago they decided enough was enough and decided to do something about it. The following video is from one of their first meetings:

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A large group of people began working with the police and local organizations to decrease violent killings.

https://allnurses-breakroom.com/south-la-peace-rally-t147172/

 

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Two years before a new program to confiscate the firearms of people who had once bought a firearm and then were convicted of a felony or a violent misdemeanor, were placed under a domestic violence restraining order or were determined to be mentally unstable and a danger to self and/or others.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/01/california-law-shifts-24-million-to-gun-confiscation-program/ 

Those people began a system of reporting crimes they witnessed to police anonymously, giving description, name license plate and description of the vehicle and shooters ASAP.

Previously people were too afraid their family members would be targeted as snitches by the gang.

Also they reported any people who had been found guilty of a crime that they knew had a firearm or lived in a home where there were guns.

Because of these citizen activists hundreds of gang members have been arrested for illegal possession of a firearm.

Those not in the country legally were reported to ICE. Others went to prison.

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Laws requiring gun owners to register their firearms ensure gun owner accountability and help law enforcement solve crimes and disarm criminals....

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/gun-owner-responsibilities/registration/

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Los Angeles to Chicago: What WE did to combat murder and violence

... We recognized that screaming for more police, prosecutors and draconian jail sentences wouldn't stop the mayhem. It would take an angered, fearless and proactive community effort. We launched a broad campaign that we called "Get the Killers Off the Streets."

We prodded family members, friends and relatives of young men and women gunned down to stand with us in a series of roving neighborhood candlelight vigils and marches.

We circulated fliers with a hotline number that witnesses could call to provide information and remain anonymous.

We asked callers to provide license plate numbers and car descriptions and, in some cases, to name names.

This information was passed on in confidence to police liaison officials. We knew that getting people, many of whom had information, to shed their fear of retaliation and provide information anonymously was key to making a dent in curbing the violence. In more than a few cases, this resulted in quick arrests...

... The murder rate in South LA plunged dramatically, and it has stayed down. Just knowing that our efforts spared a family from grieving over the murder of a son or a daughter made all of our efforts worth it. It's worth it in Chicago too...

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-los-angeles-chicago-crime-murder-violence-black-lives-perspec-0709-jm-20150708-story.html 

Gun violence continues to decrease in urban areas of California, most apparent in Los Angeles. Total gun deaths continue to decrease, but there is an increase in rural communities.

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Firearm homicide rates in California have dramatically declined since the mid-2000s in urban areas in California...

...   For urban counties in general, the decline in homicide rates was “driven by reductions in homicides in Los Angeles County among men of color,” researchers said....

https://thecrimereport.org/2018/04/26/gang-violence-decline-held-responsible-for-drop-in-california-gun-deaths/ 

 

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