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2 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

From today's NY Times:

How The El Paso Killer Echoed The Words Of Conservative Media Stars

Again, recall how the Rwandian genocide began.

I don't consider Tucker Carlson or Rush Limbaugh, to be Conservative.

Both are right-wing extremists.

What makes them “extremists”?  Frankly, I doubt you’ve really heard much of either of them, so never mind.

Is their a similar NYT article on how the Dayton shooter held views of leftists?  Funny how many posts in these threads the past few days talk about alleged right wing influences on the El Paso shooter, but nada comments on the Dayton shooter.

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5 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

What makes them “extremists”?  Frankly, I doubt you’ve really heard much of either of them, so never mind.

Is their a similar NYT article on how the Dayton shooter held views of leftists?  Funny how many posts in these threads the past few days talk about alleged right wing influences on the El Paso shooter, but nada comments on the Dayton shooter.

Dunno about the NYT, but I found out about that from the Washington Post. Yes, it’s indeed interesting that it’s not getting as much mention as the radical right views of other shooters.

On the other hand, it’s also interesting to set this one overt lefty wackjob vs the four or five I can think of off the top of my head who are known radical righties. Beware the false equivalence.

Besides, the unspoken common denominator is testosterone OD. Now there’s a drug epidemic for ya!

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1 hour ago, heron said:

Dunno about the NYT, but I found out about that from the Washington Post. Yes, it’s indeed interesting that it’s not getting as much mention as the radical right views of other shooters.

On the other hand, it’s also interesting to set this one overt lefty wackjob vs the four or five I can think of off the top of my head who are known radical righties. Beware the false equivalence.

Besides, the unspoken common denominator is testosterone OD. Now there’s a drug epidemic for ya!

Well, there has been more then one leftist.  Never the less, we are talking about a handful out of millions.  IMO, the personal and mental problems these people have played a bigger role in what they did then did their political views.  

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1 hour ago, heron said:

Dunno about the NYT, but I found out about that from the Washington Post. Yes, it’s indeed interesting that it’s not getting as much mention as the radical right views of other shooters.

On the other hand, it’s also interesting to set this one overt lefty wackjob vs the four or five I can think of off the top of my head who are known radical righties. Beware the false equivalence.

Besides, the unspoken common denominator is testosterone OD. Now there’s a drug epidemic for ya!

Yep.

The WaPo had a piece over the weekend, discussing how the majority of shooters, are male.

As we have witnessed time, and time again, they are White males.

The El Paso shooter, was apparently upset over changing demographics, in his world, which, of course, speaks to sentiments put forth, in the quote Tweety posted, from Toni Morrison.

 

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2 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

Well, there has been more then one leftist.  Never the less, we are talking about a handful out of millions.  IMO, the personal and mental problems these people have played a bigger role in what they did then did their political views.  

It’s the enabling and validation of those cockamamie beliefs that present the problem and for which Trump is being held accountable. Ditto for any call for violence by any public person or organization, regardless of political persuasion.

Words have meanings ... and great power. Social approbation and/or approval play a huge role in individual behaviors and choices. Ask any queer who has spent any time at all in the closet.

Honest people can disagree on the relative importance of individual mental instability vs. publicly normalized brutality, but blaming it all on mental illness is just a cop-out.

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NY Times reporter: The white nationalist “great replacement” theory is “startlingly common” in right-wing media

NYT's Jeremy Peters: “It's not only a regular occurrence to refer to [migrants] as an invading force, but also that the motivation behind their coming here is ... to replace white Americans.”...

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/ny-times-reporter-white-nationalist-great-replacement-theory-startlingly-common-right-wing 

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3 hours ago, heron said:

It’s the enabling and validation of those cockamamie beliefs that present the problem and for which Trump is being held accountable. Ditto for any call for violence by any public person or organization, regardless of political persuasion.

Words have meanings ... and great power. Social approbation and/or approval play a huge role in individual behaviors and choices. Ask any queer who has spent any time at all in the closet.

Honest people can disagree on the relative importance of individual mental instability vs. publicly normalized brutality, but blaming it all on mental illness is just a cop-out.

Of course it is a cop-out.

And it is a strategy, to deflect any blame from Trump and Trumpsters.

They see themselves as goid people, and their leader, as a good man.

But that is a fallacy.

Good people, don't applaud when the POTUS, calls for minority members of Congress, to be "sent back."

Good prople, don't applaud violence, at a Trump pep rally.

 

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Crowds shout down, taunt, heckle the police responding to a active shooter in their neighborhood, that shot six cops.

Are the irresponsible tweets of Warren and Harris to blame.  Is the BLM movement and the cops are racists narrative of the Obama era to blame?

 

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Police were there to serve a warrant to search for drugs. The shooter had a criminal record and could not legally own a firearm. 

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Four women who were escorted from the Nicetown-Tioga neighborhood told CBS Philadelphia they were on the second floor of the building with the suspect. “I thank God for these cops,” one woman said. Below is a photo of that woman after being rescued by police and telling neighbors to stop shouting at the officers stating, "The police protected us from the shooting."

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https://wdef.com/2019/08/15/philadelphia-suspect-custody-hourslong-standoff/ 

On July 18, 2019 the Philadelphia Mayor and Police Chief announced that a group of 13 Philadelphia police officers would be fired over racist offensive Facebook posts. More than 50 other officers are being reprimanded or suspended. Perhaps some of the heckling people had been treated rudely by the fired cops. Maybe some of them have been afraid of police all their lives. Maybe some have not experienced police helping people and saving lives. Maybe some are neither smart nor experienced. That women told them to STOP giving the police a hard time because they save the lives of upstairs neighbors.

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PHILADELPHIA SHOOTING: CROWD TAUNTED, LAUGHED AND YELLED AT POLICE OFFICERS WHILE UNDER GUNFIRE—REPORT

A shootout and standoff in the Philadelphia neighborhood of Nicetown-Tioga on Wednesday left six police officers injured with gunshot wounds.

A crowd of people had gathered to watch the incident but a handful of individuals taunted, laughed and yelled at officers who were facing gunfire, according to CBS3 reporter Alexandria Hoff who was at the scene.

"I mentioned this at 10 and since I was harassed during that live shot, I'll mention it here too," Hoff posted on Twitter. "A major moment of disappointment this evening was watching a crowd of people taunt police officers, laughing and yelling at them in the midst of the gunfire.

"I should add—98 percent of people here on scene were respectful and concerned. That moment was just such a startling thing to see in the middle of something so chaotic," she wrote.

https://www.newsweek.com/philadelphia-shooting-crowd-taunted-police-report-1454473 

 

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6 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

Crowds shout down, taunt, heckle the police responding to a active shooter in their neighborhood, that shot six cops.

Are the irresponsible tweets of Warren and Harris to blame.  Is the BLM movement and the cops are racists narrative of the Obama era to blame?

I do not remember President Obama being racist. When did that happen? What did the president do that you remember as racist?

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