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2 minutes ago, Turtlellini said:

There are no exact numbers only estimates anywhere from 11 million to 22 million

In other words, no.

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1 minute ago, Turtlellini said:
in·va·sion
/inˈvāZHən/
noun
 
  1. an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.
    "in 1546 England had to be defended from invasion"
    synonyms: occupation, conquering, capture, seizure, annexation, annexing, takeover, appropriation, expropriation, arrogation; More
     
     
     
     
       
    • an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.
      "stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"
      synonyms: influx, inundation, inrush, rush, flood, torrent, deluge, stream, avalanche
      "every year the valley suffers an invasion of cars"
    • an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.
      "random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"
      synonyms: violation, infringement, interruption, disturbance, disruption, breach, infraction; More
       
       

Sounds downright European to me.

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27 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

The articles and statistics already posted were from the South Los Angeles and Watts sections of LA. Those along with Compton were traditional Black ghettos because there were not many parts of the city where homes were sold or rented to them. 

This was one of the first meetings held that resulted in hundreds of gang member off the streets. Most were found to be illegally in possession of one or more firearms and are in prison. Look back in this thread where I posted about this same group of citizens whose anonymous reports resulted in gang members from  Central America arrested by the FBI and LAPD lat May 2019. 

No the improvement in Los Angeles was in the highest crime part of the city. It took citizens working with police each and every day. It is ongoing. Those people made hundreds of reports over three years to get those gang member in custody. I think they deserve credit, not told the neighborhoods they were brave enough make safer are still what they were when good citizens were too afraid to act.

That baby in his Grandpa's arm is probably in high school now. 

 

I’m not doubting any of that.  Just pointing out that the link to the stats you used to say LA is not in top 50 if crime was including all of LA metro area.   Which includes places you mentioned as well as Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, etc.

Same thing with Muno’s stats of Chicago included parts of Wisconsin and Indiana.

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46 minutes ago, MoondoggieRN said:

I’m not doubting any of that.  Just pointing out that the link to the stats you used to say LA is not in top 50 if crime was including all of LA metro area.   Which includes places you mentioned as well as Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, etc.

Same thing with Muno’s stats of Chicago included parts of Wisconsin and Indiana.

The "Neighborhood Scout" site does not include parts of Los Angeles County in it's statistics. It specifically includes information about cities near LA separately. They include all violent crime reported by the LAPD,  School or university police, Los Angeles Sheriff Department, FBI, and any other report of crime that occurred in the City Of Los Angeles, not a separate city in the County of Los Angeles. 

The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) statistics only include the City of Los Angeles. Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, Burbank, Glendale and other cities have their own police departments and keep their own statistics. 

Century City is NOT a city! 😲   Neither is Marina Del Rey, Venice Beach, Bel Air, or Hollywood. But West Hollywood IS a city.

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/blog/top100dangerous 

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16 hours ago, MunoRN said:

What do you think their rate of "shootings each week" is then? 

I don't think liberals "don't care" about the amount of shootings in Chicago or anywhere else in the US, it would seem that's a big driver of their push for better gun policy.  I think they don't buy into the false representation of statistics that says Chicago has the highest rate of shootings in the US.

Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws on the books.

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1 hour ago, herring_RN said:

The "Neighborhood Scout" site does not include parts of Los Angeles County in it's statistics. It specifically includes information about cities near LA separately. They include all violent crime reported by the LAPD,  School or university police, Los Angeles Sheriff Department, FBI, and any other report of crime that occurred in the City Of Los Angeles, not a separate city in the County of Los Angeles. 

The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) statistics only include the City of Los Angeles. Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, Burbank, Glendale and other cities have their own police departments and keep their own statistics. 

Century City is NOT a city! 😲   Neither is Marina Del Rey, Venice Beach, Bel Air, or Hollywood. But West Hollywood IS a city.

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/blog/top100dangerous 

 

 

After looking again, I realize I was mistaken.  Thank you.

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18 hours ago, Turtlellini said:

Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws on the books.

Do law enforcement officers or laws prohibit people from purchasing firearms across state lines? Are there laws which prohibit the transportation of legally purchased firearms across state boundaries? Do the immediately adjacent states have similarly strict gun laws? 

Guns used in cross-border crimes originate from states with more lax laws

 

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2 hours ago, Turtlellini said:

Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws on the books.

Chicago used to have some of the toughest gun laws, handguns used to be illegal in Chicago, that ended in 2010.  A registry and CC ban ended in 2013.  The state of Illinois requires a license to purchase, but with 2 states with more lax laws a short drive from Chicago that doesn't mean much, which is a patchwork of laws don't really work.

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5 hours ago, MoondoggieRN said:

After looking again, I realize I was mistaken.  Thank you.

Thank you! 

Of course I have made many mistakes. Once I used too many zeros. An embarrassing error. It is very easy to understand because that site includes per capita statistics for small and large cities.  I ignore members who repeatedly post as fact something untrue and then ignore when the fact is pointed out. 

Plenty members here and my family and friends have different opinions. They help me understand why they believe the was they do. On good friend REALLY likes Nascar. I went to a race in the desert on a hot dusty day. Not for me.

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7 hours ago, heron said:

In other words, no.

remember  all these illegals are in the "shadows" and home depot.

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17 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do law enforcement officers or laws prohibit people from purchasing firearms across state lines? Are there laws which prohibit the transportation of legally purchased firearms across state boundaries? Do the immediately adjacent states have similarly strict gun laws? 

Guns used in cross-border crimes originate from states with more lax laws

 

So what?  It doesn't matter where they are getting the guns the fact is Indiana doesn't have the amount of shootings as and killings as Chicago.  They had a large number of homicides before 2010.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-since-1957-20160302-htmlstory.html

 

 

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7 hours ago, heron said:

Sounds downright European to me.

Sounds more like the Souther border of the US

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