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49 minutes ago, Lil Nel said:

Yes, it is the kind of stuff that happens in shithole countries, as Trump likes to say.

And it is happening right here.

So I guess that means that Trump presides over a shithole country!

Chicago, San Francisco, Detroit, LA, Baltimore, DC, Newark, ...  Yep you're right.

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56 minutes ago, Turtlellini said:

Internet purchases require going through an FFL dealer to do the transfer unless you are buying something that is not a complete weapon (no lower receiver).  If purchasing guns on the internet without an FFL intermediary its because it is legal.  There are not going to be illegal gun purchases readily available on the internet.  The ATF would be kicking those doors down.

Buying from a private seller through an internet site does not require a background check with the exception states with universal background check laws.  

In states without universal background check laws there is little difficulty obtaining a firearm without a background check because it's not illegal, which is the point, those who legally are not allowed to own firearms shouldn't be legally allowed to easily purchase them.

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59 minutes ago, Turtlellini said:

Chicago?

What do you think Chicago's homicide rate is?

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1 minute ago, MunoRN said:

What do you think Chicago's homicide rate is?

Its not just the homicide rates its the amount of shootings each week.  But liberals don't cares about the shooting in Chicago for some reason.

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12 minutes ago, Turtlellini said:

Its not just the homicide rates its the amount of shootings each week.  But liberals don't cares about the shooting in Chicago for some reason.

What do you think their rate of "shootings each week" is then? 

I don't think liberals "don't care" about the amount of shootings in Chicago or anywhere else in the US, it would seem that's a big driver of their push for better gun policy.  I think they don't buy into the false representation of statistics that says Chicago has the highest rate of shootings in the US.

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Regarding mass shootings

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1 hour ago, Lil Nel said:

Yes, it is the kind of stuff that happens in s***hole countries, as Trump likes to say.

And it is happening right here.

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22 minutes ago Turtlellini said:

Chicago, San Francisco, Detroit, LA, Baltimore, DC, Newark, ...  Yep you're right.

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Firearm homicide rates in California have dramatically declined since the mid-2000s in urban areas in California...

...   For urban counties in general, the decline in homicide rates was “driven by reductions in homicides in Los Angeles County among men of color,” researchers said....

https://thecrimereport.org/2018/04/26/gang-violence-decline-held-responsible-for-drop-in-california-gun-deaths/ 

I live in Los Angeles and helped in a small way to decrease gang violence. Please click the arrow:

 

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41 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

 

 

42 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

I think they don't buy into the false representation of statistics that says Chicago has the highest rate of shootings in the US.

There may be more recent statistics out there, but it does seem Chicago’s gun violence is worse then anywhere else.

“In 2015, the most recent year for which data is available for both cities, the fatal shooting rate in Chicago was five times as high as it was in New York: 15.6 per 100,000 residents compared to 2.8 per 100,000. The difference between the rate for other types of homicide in the two cities is less than 1 percentage point.”

https://www.thetrace.org/2017/01/chicago-murder-rate-fatal-shootings/

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34 minutes ago, MoondoggieRN said:

 

There may be more recent statistics out there, but it does seem Chicago’s gun violence is worse then anywhere else.

“In 2015, the most recent year for which data is available for both cities, the fatal shooting rate in Chicago was five times as high as it was in New York: 15.6 per 100,000 residents compared to 2.8 per 100,000. The difference between the rate for other types of homicide in the two cities is less than 1 percentage point.”

https://www.thetrace.org/2017/01/chicago-murder-rate-fatal-shootings/

Between New York and Chicago, Chicago certainly has the higher gun homicide rate, although New York has in impressively low gun homicide rate for a dense urban area.

Per the CDC, the Chicago metropolitan area had a gun homicide rate of 8.1 per 100,000 for the last reported period of 2015-2016, New Orleans was at 16.6, Birmingham was at 12.6, Memphis at 15.0, etc.  The general point is well taken, our overall gun homicide rates are far higher than they should be, we'll never get it to zero, but it would make sense to take reasonable steps to reduce these numbers.  

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/wr/pdfs/mm6744a3-H.pdf

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Chicago is #57 on the list of most dangerous cities. Los Angeles is not on the list.

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Top 100 Most Dangerous Cities in the U.S.

This year’s most dangerous city is in Alabama. Last year’s most dangerous city, Monroe, LA, makes the list again this year for the sixth time in the last seven years, coming in as America’s 3rd most dangerous city...

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/blog/top100dangerous

 

 

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5 hours ago, herring_RN said:

Chicago is #57 on the list of most dangerous cities. Los Angeles is not on the list.

 

 

My dad made a statement about crime ridden Baltimore and the murders there, but he lives in a city in North Carolina in Trump country that has twice the crime rate of the national average I pointed out.

Chicago is always held up because apparently they have strict gun laws that people seem to bypass by getting their guns out of town.  The pro-gun people get to say "see gun laws don't work".   For me it's "like I've said, it's too late, we're too far gone.  Murder is a fact of life in the USA"

Now apparently anti-gun people don't care about murders in Chicago because we don't talk about it much.  With thousands of murders around the country it's hard to not be numb and not take notice or take notice and just move on.  

I do remember reading that 2019 had a drop in the murder rate overall.  Not sure about 2019 yet.

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9 hours ago, Turtlellini said:

Chicago?

Perhaps you should reread the questions you referenced for this response. This doesn't seem to answer either. 

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