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Do you believe in wearing fur and leather?

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What is your opinion on that?

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No one is going to be surprised at my answer.

As a a vegan I do not wear leather, wool, etc. No down pillows or silk either. I've got some awesome non-leather shoes called Earth shoes, and non-leather belts, and even a nonleather wallet. New Balance makes good white work shoes I wear with my scrubs, as well as everyday sneakers.

The leather industry, along with factory farming for food, is against my ethics and if I can help it I don't partake. Fur is cruel as well. :)

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I don't wear leather or fur either.

The other day my mum brought out this mink coat she's had since the 70's. She doesn't want it anymore, it's in excellent condition and we're going to try and sell it and donate whatever money we have to the RSPCA.

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i own a few pair of leather shoes, a few leather purses, but would never ever ever ever wear fur or leather or suede. i was vegan until four years ago and almost bled out as the result of an undiagnosed ulcer. my internist was adamant that i both take fe and begin to eat meat again, plus cheese. i feel so much better that i still do. i know i was a healthy vegan but somehow, i'm still eating a certain amount of cooked flesh but not nearly as much as the average person. i feel like a hypocrite wearing leather shoes, eating poultry, fish, some beef, pork, lamb etc. but i do. i guess you can't take the idealistic twenty year old out of the sixty year old. we still use the soy-based ersatz meats too.

kathy

shar pei mom:paw::paw:

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Off topic: Glad you feel better Kathy...I just don't see the connection between a bleeding ulcer and veganism. Isn't an ulcer caused primarily by a bacteria? Doesn't dairy aggrivate an ulcer?

I understand that many MD's blame a person's anemia on veganism and insist they eat meat. I've heard that before. But you had a bleeding ulcer...seems like the MD would identify that as the cause of your anemia.

I'm just talking, you in no way have to jusitfy anything to me. The fact is that you feel better. Also the fact that you eat less meat that the average person is helpful. :)

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off topic: glad you feel better kathy...i just don't see the connection between a bleeding ulcer and veganism. isn't an ulcer caused primarily by a bacteria? doesn't dairy aggravate an ulcer?

i understand that many md's blame a person's anemia on veganism and insist they eat meat. i've heard that before. but you had a bleeding ulcer...seems like the md would identify that as the cause of your anemia.

i'm just talking, you in no way have to justify anything to me. the fact is that you feel better. also the fact that you eat less meat that the average person is helpful. :)

my particular ulcer was caused by taking plavix. my former internist was nearing retirement, in his upper seventies and very paternalistic with women as a general category. despite the fact that i kept telling him that i was having esophageal pain that was only increasing, he blew me off for several months. the whole issue finally could no longer be ignored when routine bloodwork ordered by my neurologist showed that my h & h values were so low as to be life threatening. when i came home after running errands with my husband, there were no fewer than seven messages from the internist himself telling me to go the hospital and prepare to be admitted. i had six pints of blood plus packed cells over the next day and a half. not fun!

after that experience, i decided i would do whatever i had to do not to feel like that again - ever.

thanks for caring, tweety. :hgu:

kathy

shar pei mom:paw::paw:

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:After that experience, I decided I would do whatever I had to do not to feel like that again - ever

Understood.

Meat and dairy has the opposite effect on me...it drags me down. Eating vegan with a lot of whole foods (without junk food mind you, which is what I tend to do).....I feel like, my spirit and body feel better. Sometimes I look in the mirror and think "who is that old guy" when I feel like I'm 30 with the.......um....never mind about that, I'll keep it PG-13. :lol2:

Everybody's different. I've know people who have tried vegan and gained weight and felt horrible (although I don't think they gave it an honest try) but have to trust what they say.

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Understood.

Meat and dairy has the opposite effect on me...it drags me down. Eating vegan with a lot of whole foods (without junk food mind you, which is what I tend to do).....I feel like, my spirit and body feel better. Sometimes I look in the mirror and think "who is that old guy" when I feel like I'm 30 with the.......um....never mind about that, I'll keep it PG-13. :lol2:

Everybody's different. I've know people who have tried vegan and gained weight and felt horrible (although I don't think they gave it an honest try) but have to trust what they say.

My daughter did the vegan thing a couple of years ago and was svelte and was feeling very healthy.

Off to college with roommates and it became impossible. She has gained weight, is sluggish, sleeps in a lot. (Of course I'm sure part of that is college partying and drinking :crying2: ).

I have good friends who are Seventh Day Adventists and stricts vegans. Very healthy, very active. When they lived here they hiked, snow skied, water skied, etc. They live in Hawaii and wake up to surf every morning.

Of course they don't smoke or drink alcohol either. I know from my nutrition class that SDA's have the best medical outlook from any other group.

steph

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i became a vegan in college and stayed one until i married and began to eat some cheese and fish and chicken once in awhile. meat and poultry have always been pretty much flavorings rather than the main event when i did eat flesh. there are so many little ways to make a difference in the world and now that we're no longer vegan or even vegetarian anymore, we're trying harder in other ways. this from someone who was born into a family of hunters and life nra members... shudder ...

kathy

shar pei mom:paw::paw:

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i became a vegan in college and stayed one until i married and began to eat some cheese and fish and chicken once in awhile. meat and poultry have always been pretty much flavorings rather than the main event when i did eat flesh. there are so many little ways to make a difference in the world and now that we're no longer vegan or even vegetarian anymore, we're trying harder in other ways. this from someone who was born into a family of hunters and life nra members... shudder ...

kathy

shar pei mom:paw::paw:

family of hunters and nra members here too. (i don't hunt).

my 8 year old and i are reading another one of gary paulsen's books (the first one was "hatchet" which was about a 13 year old who crash lands in forest lake after the pilot has a heart attack and how the boy adapts to living in the woods for months - making a place to live, hunting, fishing, etc.)

this series is called "tuckett's travels - francis tuckets adventure in the west, 1847-1849. it is about another young boy who is on the way to oregon via wagon train and is kidnapped by the pawnee. his subsequent escape and life with a mountain man, learning to shoot, hunt, trap beaver, etc. there is an intricate detailed description of how to make the hoops that the beaver skins dry on - using strips of hide from deer. here is his website:

http://www.randomhouse.com/features/garypaulsen/about.html

i wonder how vegans lived in those days. just curious - i know this style of life goes back generations.

steph

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i own a few pair of leather shoes, a few leather purses, but would never ever ever ever wear fur or leather or suede. i was vegan until four years ago and almost bled out as the result of an undiagnosed ulcer. my internist was adamant that i both take fe and begin to eat meat again, plus cheese. i feel so much better that i still do. i know i was a healthy vegan but somehow, i'm still eating a certain amount of cooked flesh but not nearly as much as the average person. i feel like a hypocrite wearing leather shoes, eating poultry, fish, some beef, pork, lamb etc. but i do. i guess you can't take the idealistic twenty year old out of the sixty year old. we still use the soy-based ersatz meats too.

kathy

shar pei mom:paw::paw:

no dont feel hypocrite...any small action toward helping animals counts...it doesnt matter if it is volunteering at the local animal shelter or making small donations,or joining/organizing protest demonstrations , or signing petitions...every small act of kindness is a step toward saving voiceless,vulnerable and innocent animals.

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