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My laugh of the day involved reading about Romney Why is Mitt Romney talking about Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky? (+video) - CSMonitor.com

Not sure why he is in the news. Didn't he leave with his tail between his legs after Karl Rove could not fix the election for him?

The Amerian population spoke, and they were not in favor of his platform. I have not seen where that fact has changed the GOP in any positive way. The right wing nuts have been out in force and talking crazy. The more moderates seem to be quietly gathering whatever steam they can by dividing the tea party out of the GOP.

Can any conservatives give some kind of analysis of where the GOP is now and what they think will be happening for the 2014 and 2016 elections?

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My laugh of the day involved reading about Romney Why is Mitt Romney talking about Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky? (+video) - CSMonitor.com

Not sure why he is in the news. Didn't he leave with his tail between his legs after Karl Rove could not fix the election for him?

The Amerian population spoke, and they were not in favor of his platform.

I watched that entire interview on Meet The Press yesterday morning. The interview was initially about safety at the Olympics and he is a good person to ask this kind of question because of his background. I've heard him talk about it before and while he acknowledges that you cannot be 100% certain of anything, he thinks the Russians have done a good job with safety. Then the host brought up the amount of money spent by Russia and they talked about how that needs to be changed. Mitt said it was too much money to spend (he included China in that) when there are so many other more important pressing needs their government should be addressing. All good thoughts in my opinion.

Then the HOST asked questions about Hillary and Mitt was magnanimous in his answer. Basically, Hillary should be judged on her own life and not on her husband's choices/actions.

I think her record is what will be judged upon, and not the record of her husband…. Hillary Clinton, if she becomes the nominee, will have plenty to discuss about her own record, and I don't imagine that Bill Clinton is going to be a big part of it.""That being said, the times when he was president were, by and large, positive economic times for the country. On the other hand, he embarrassed the nation, he breached his responsibility, I think, as an adult and as a leader in this relationship, and I think that's unfortunate. But I don't think that's Hillary Clinton's to explain. She has her own record and her own vision for where she would take the country."

WHY is Mitt talking about Bill? Well, the host asked him. :cool:

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WHY is Mitt talking about Bill? Well, the host asked him. :cool:

I realize that. The conversation was spring boarded from Paul's accusations about Bill Clinton. My chagrin was based on the fact that Romney was left to clean up after Paul, who voted against Violence Against Women Act. It is quite typical of the right. Bring up a 16 yr. old issue which never killed anyone and scream when anyone brings up Bush and the thousands murdered due to his and his VP's lies. Paul's track record about women is so bad as to make Romney look as if he treats women as equals, which we know is not true. As I recall he could not find a qualified woman without a binder.

I do wonder if the GOP is looking at someone like Romney who might be perceived as less crazed than some on the right wing.

Again: Can any conservatives give some kind of analysis of where the GOP is now and what they think will be happening for the 2014 and 2016 elections?

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That binder thing is just silly, if you ask me. Do you really think that anytime a vacancy needs to be filled, there is not a file or collection of information or gasp! a binder with possible candidates somewhere? Or do you think they just pull names out of thin air? Well, actually maybe they do that exact thing, because some candidates have a lot of baggage that was either ignored or they didn't bother to check on.

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Paul's track record about women is so bad as to make Romney look as if he treats women as equals, which we know is not true. As I recall he could not find a qualified woman without a binder........

If at all possible, could we please discuss without throwing out these old canards that were proven to simply be a verbal mishap/gaffe.

Romney was referring to working with a women's caucus, which brought him a binder that contained hundreds of RESUMES of women. The group assembled this binder for his administration when he was Governor of Mass after he and his opponent signed a pledge saying they would make "best efforts" to ensure that the number of women appointed to high-level positions more fairly represent the proportion of women in the population.

It drives me crazy when both sides skew the words of people into something they are not. One of the reasons I've stepped back from getting into debates is when the basis of the debate is based on someone's interpretation of an event that has nothing to do with the facts.

Mitt did not mean HE or HIS cronies assembled binders full of photos of women.

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I do wonder if the GOP is looking at someone like Romney who might be perceived as less crazed than some on the right wing.

Again: Can any conservatives give some kind of analysis of where the GOP is now and what they think will be happening for the 2014 and 2016 elections?

Mitt Romney is NOT the candidate that can win. He's too moderate in many ways.

The GOP Washington Insiders have no idea what the grassroots Republicans think and feel. They don't represent us. So yeah, there is some strife within our party. As there is with the Democrats whose leadership is very liberal (Washington Insiders again) but they have also lost touch with their more moderate members in the grassroots of America.

I don't know what the answer is right now. But I personally don't think Washington represents me. I won't sit out the election though.

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The problem with the conservatives around me (and if there are conservatives to whom this doesn't apply, no need to get wadded up....only speaking about those closest to me) is that they gripe that no one in Washington represents them, or that Romney made a bad candidate. But when elections roll around, they will vote for whoever is on the Republican ticket because he isn't the other guy with the D beside his name, even if his last name is Romney/Paul/whatever and he's too moderate/out of touch/kooky (or whatever the descriptor du jour is). If you really are fed up with Washington, for heaven's sake....quit voting for Washingtonians just because they have an R beside their name. This is why I voted Gary Johnson in 2012. If everyone who liked his politics but didn't think he had a chance had 'wasted a vote' on him, it might have sent a clearer message to the GOP. As it is, most of the 'Washington doesn't represent me/Romney is too moderate' crowd still voted Romney. Yeah. That'll teach 'em....

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Well, the problem with Republican voters not voting for the Rep Candidate is that then the Democratic (usually very liberal) person will win.

So, yeah . . . .we have to vote.

There is no way Gary Johnson or any 3rd party candidate will win. All that does is siphon votes off from one or the other Dem/Rep candidates.

What does it get me as a voter/taxpayer to stand on "principle" and not vote for my party's candidate? Unless there were some horrible ethical dilemma, I realize no candidate is going to be perfect for me. But I'm not going to vote 3rd party. Just not gonna do it.

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You don't have to get so up tight. I threw the binder thing is as a joke. I do understand how candidates are selected. I found the entire binder issue and the resulting flood of memes quite laughable. Many women did not get really upset by the remark. Some, like me, found the starched attitude of some about the comment really funny. I don't always expect people to understand my sense of humor, but really, the lecture was a bit over the top.

Spidey's Mom, I do appreciate your response to the question. I know people around here are very split: There are very conservative and very liberal. I don't see too many moderates on either side. I appreciate Elvish's approach, if no one in D or R is going to represent the voter then the voter needs to use that vote to send a message. I am not quite ready to give up on either D or R, but I do think the Congress does not represent any of us: Liberal, Conservative, D or R, Libertarian, Socialist, or any other moniker one can stand with or under whose banner that person will work.

I personally think that Rand Paul and Ted Cruz have made a mockery out of the notion of fiscal conservative and truth telling. I do not apologize for being liberal. One of the greatest liberal traits I think is respect for our environment. As stated before I see that as making me a real conservative. I will fight for people and our land. Congress has refused to fight for jobs bills, have plumped up subsidies at the same time decreasing SNAP. People ignore the amount of money wasted, yes, totally wasted, by the feds with private prisons for "soft drug" offenders. They have turned a blind eye to the rape and pillage of the environment and I understand now are considering more fracking on public land.

I do have the ear of one of our Senators and he knows my name and my views. I don't know that I influence his behaviors but at least I am out there pushing for what I believe in.

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Well, to me, in a country as vast and diverse as the USA having two major choices just doesn't cut it. That's why the candidates from both parties are actually, quite middle of the road. We actually didn't get a Marxist or a Socialist in Obama. Romney I'm sure was not conservative enough for some folks. I refused to vote for Obama despite a couple of friends warnings that we were in a swing state and Romney might get in.

That there is so much corporate money in politics is the reason neither party appears to be working in the interests of the average American. I do think that if enough of us would vote third party it might be a way to stop billionaires buying candidates.

Of course it isn't likely, but I wish more of us would stand on principle.

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I think the place to start is with local and state elections.

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There is no way Gary Johnson or any 3rd party candidate will win. All that does is siphon votes off from one or the other Dem/Rep candidates.

What does it get me as a voter/taxpayer to stand on "principle" and not vote for my party's candidate? Unless there were some horrible ethical dilemma, I realize no candidate is going to be perfect for me. But I'm not going to vote 3rd party. Just not gonna do it.

It gets you the knowing that you voted for someone you actually agreed with, NOT the lesser of two evils. A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Gary Johnson, not against someone else. If the R can't beat Obama (or whoever) because of a third party candidate, then maybe the Rs need to stop fielding such clowns. This works the other way too.

Vote however you want, but it makes zero sense to vote for someone you don't really like and then complain that they don't really represent you. Duh. You knew all that before you cast your vote...

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