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Clinton In It, To Win It (Brokered Convention, here we come!)

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Come on, GUYS!

I have to be the one to post about Hillary cleaning up Ohio and Texas!?

I'M THE CONSERVATIVE on this site.

Everybody is quick to point out that she can't get the delegates to win.

True.

At this point, though, NEITHER CAN 'He Who Must Not Be Named'!

The Super-delegates will decide it.

~faith,

Timothy.

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Many of the superdelegates have in fact pledged to vote along with the popular vote of their states. I think it is too close to call at this point. If Hilary wins PA with a 60% margin she has the horsepower to win the nomination outright.

Delegate count as of today:

Clinton 1365 Needs 660 delegates to win nomination

Obama 1451 needs 574 delegates to win nomination

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/

The 86 vote margin makes this "too close to call."

1207 delegates are still in play.

Actually, this is the kind of political competition that is good for our system. Real issues are being discussed and the candidates are being tested.

I think the superdelegate role will be vastly reduced by the DNC rules committee after this election cycle.

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Actually, this is the kind of political competition that is good for our system. Real issues are being discussed and the candidates are being tested.

I think the superdelegate role will be vastly reduced by the DNC rules committee after this election cycle.

I agree with your second point, here.

I STRONGLY disagree with your first point. Go take a look at dailyKos or Democratic Underground. The 'He Who Must Not Be Named' camp and the Clinton camp are tearing each other apart.

This kind of competition is good for John McCain. Y'all might end up with him the same way us conservatives did: fractured vote.

The Democrats created the perfect storm of a mess with their nomination process. They handed out super-delegation status like it was candy AND they made all their primaries 'proportional', meaning, even with outright wins, no single strong candidate can get a decided leg up on another strong candidate. The process all but ensured that two strong candidates would go to the convention AND be decided by super-delegates.

To make things worse, the Democrats always seem to apply the lessons from the LAST election to the NEXT one, and the rules don't always apply. For example, in order to avoid months of being 'swift-boated', Democrats moved up their convention to August. That way, they ride the wave straight to the election. However, with a brokered convention, a LATE convention means that the nominee will have very little time to unify.

And, might I say that no delegates to Michigan and Florida was a death wish for a party that holds the point of view to 'let every vote count'. It's a rock and a hard place.

Don't tell me that one of these candidates will get the nod based on Super-delegates and Florida/Michigan and that will be good for the party. It will be a disaster.

THIS disaster, btw, is why RUSH was encouraging Republicans to cross over and vote for Clinton in Texas. Exit polls suggest that 123,000 of them did; Clinton won by less than 100k. (To be fair MORE Republicans crossed over to vote for 'He Who Must Not Be Named'.)

~faith,

Timothy.

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why is he "he who must not be named?"

say it!

barack obama!!!!!!!!!!!

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why is he "he who must not be named?"

say it!

(expletive deleted)

his wife says saying his name is the equivalent of using a 'f-bomb'. i don't want to violate tos on this site by using the f-bomb. from here on out, out of respect to him, and to avoid using a 'f-bomb', i will refer to him as 'he who must not be named'.

~faith,

timothy.

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THIS disaster, btw, is why RUSH was encouraging Republicans to cross over and vote for Clinton in Texas. Exit polls suggest that 123,000 of them did; Clinton won by less than 100k. (To be fair MORE Republicans crossed over to vote for 'He Who Must Not Be Named'.)

http://www.time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/

Exit polls:

- Republicans represented 9% of the (Democrat Primary) electorate in Texas. Out of a total of 2.857 million votes cast, that's roughly 257,000 votes.

- Obama won Republicans more narrowly than usual, 52-47. In vote terms, that translates to roughly 134,000 to 123,000.

- Overall, Clinton won Texas by just under 100,000 votes.

Clinton won by 98k votes; Republicans crossed over to give her 123k votes.

~faith,

Timothy.

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A unity ticket is in the works....

I think its going to be either Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama. Sen. Obama has shown he can win the small states while Sen. Clinton can win the large states. The both generate enthusiasm and excitement.

As a democrat I can live with either candidate as there really isn't a nickels bit of difference between the candidates on issues.

PS Last time I checked protocol it is never disrespectful to refer to a Senator as Senator _______.

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The superdelegates that I have heard interviewed have all said that they are casting their ballots IAW the vote totals of their individual districts.

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I don't think Obama would ever have Hillary as VP . . .she is too powerful.

The out in the open idea I heard all day on talk radio was that this would be good for McCain . . he just has to sit back and wait while the Democrat candidates "bloody" up the waters. . . .

The debate today was what caused Hillary to win . . . was it the "red phone" ad, was it that the press was finally taking a real look at Obama, was it Republicans voting for Hillary in order to keep her in the race so she and Obama could duke it out . . . . talk radio made a 4 hour drive go by fast.

steph

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PS Last time I checked protocol it is never disrespectful to refer to a Senator as Senator _______.

Except, if I refer to him as "Senator _______", how will you be able to distinguish between him and Hillary? They are BOTH senators.

~faith,

Timothy.

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I don't think Obama would ever have Hillary as VP . . .she is too powerful.

The out in the open idea I heard all day on talk radio was that this would be good for McCain . . he just has to sit back and wait while the Democrat candidates "bloody" up the waters. . . .

The debate today was what caused Hillary to win . . . was it the "red phone" ad, was it that the press was finally taking a real look at Obama, was it Republicans voting for Hillary in order to keep her in the race so she and Obama could duke it out . . . . talk radio made a 4 hour drive go by fast.

steph

It was the cross over vote. The media is wild about this idea of cross over votes for 'He Who Must Not Be Named'. They were probably going to 1. vote for him anyway, or 2. are voting for him to get rid of her.

However.

How many natural cross over votes would there be for Hillary? I'm suspecting very little. Time's article, which I linked above, said that up to 80% of cross over Hillary votes would have had to been to specifically cause havoc in order to have been successful (123,000 such votes vs 98,000 gap between the two candidates).

I think that is exactly the case. I can see a rationale for cross voting for 'He Who Must Not Be Named'. I mentioned 2 of them, above.

The rationale for a Republican vote for Hillary? There is only one. And. That being the case, it appears to have been successful.

Basically, Rush rocked the Democrat vote Texas. Considering Democrat cross over votes nominated McCain by giving him momentum in N. Hampshire, how does it feel? You gave us McCain. We give you Hillary.

~faith,

Timothy.

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Rush didn't do a darn thing, its those Texans , they just LOVE Hillary!:heartbeat Rush and Co. tried the same tactic in Wisconsin and Obama won by a landslide.

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