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And guess where that starts.....with parenting. I read somewhere that when a child finds even one coin on the street, the parents go with the child to the police station to report the find. The police carefully take the report, and when the find is not claimed the child gets it back. Without parenting of this level of integrity, it wouldn't happen.

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As a person who remembers riots in the 60s very well, I assure you that in the USA people also loot during riots.

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As a person who remembers riots in the 60s very well, I assure you that in the USA people also loot during riots.

I don't think you have to go back that far. Several years ago, during a WTA meeting in Seattle, there was rioting, massive private property damage and looting, from thugs who were transported in with that in mind.

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Interesting and it's wonderful that the staggering tragedy that occurred in Japan was not compounded by widespread looting but the significance of this phenomenon is overplayed.

You wouldn't think that anyone would argue that the Japanese are naturally morally superior or possess greater character than those of us in the West. But of course, there are those who will argue that very thing even though history is rife with proof that they do not.

It's certainly not parenting.

Others who have observed this phenomenon have observed that while it is somewhat rooted in culture, it is more a function of the way their society is structured. Yes, honesty is rewarded but anything less than that is also severely punished.

I know that isn't as much fun to consider as the Japanese- good, West-bad explanations (some of which has been racially-tinged and the rest which has been out and out racist).

Finally, while reports of looting and lawlessness after Hurricane Katrina was vastly overstated, reports of looting in Japan have been greatly understated since in fact there has been SOME looting.

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And guess where that starts.....with parenting. I read somewhere that when a child finds even one coin on the street, the parents go with the child to the police station to report the find. The police carefully take the report, and when the find is not claimed the child gets it back. Without parenting of this level of integrity, it wouldn't happen.

I read the same paragraph. It also said that if you find an umbrella and turn it in to the cops, you get a finder's fee of 5 to 20 percent of its value if the owner picks it up. Also, on the flip side of the coin failure to return a found wallet can result in hours of interrogation at best, and up to 10 years in prison at worst. So it's less about integrity and good parenting than incentive and punishment.

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I read the same paragraph. It also said that if you find an umbrella and turn it in to the cops, you get a finder's fee of 5 to 20 percent of its value if the owner picks it up. Also, on the flip side of the coin failure to return a found wallet can result in hours of interrogation at best, and up to 10 years in prison at worst. So it's less about integrity and good parenting than incentive and punishment.

While it appears from your post that incentive and punishment are part of it, I still say it goes back to parenting:

Japanese parent to child: if you take this and/or don't report finding it, you will be punished.

American/British parent to child: Hey, go ahead and break those show windows and take anything you want. Those people don't deserve what they have. And you do. Go ahead....break the law.

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While it appears from your post that incentive and punishment are part of it, I still say it goes back to parenting:

Japanese parent to child: if you take this and/or don't report finding it, you will be punished.

American/British parent to child: Hey, go ahead and break those show windows and take anything you want. Those people don't deserve what they have. And you do. Go ahead....break the law.

I don't know any British people at all but I certainly don't know any American parents who talk/think/parent like that.

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The Japanese believe that loyalty to the group is the highest morality. It's an inbred social concept that we individualist Americans don't have. You can say parents to pass it down to their children, but it's a cultural-societal thing as well. While that's good in a lot of ways as highlighted in the OP, it also has stifled them. Americans have more creativity and even Nobel prize winners because of our individualism. Much of their early success in the 80's was due to many factors like competition within their own country between companies but also the fact they were copy cats. It's not all West = bad and Japan = superior.

Still this is a good example in how it works and I'd definitely say in this area they are superior to the West.

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I don't know any British people at all but I certainly don't know any American parents who talk/think/parent like that.

Interesting, because neither do I, but people who loot and riot must think it's okay....so where does that come from?

However, haven't you had patients who steal from the rooms? Back before everything was bolted to the walls, we had baby crib mattresses, linen by the truckloads, and even electronic amenities like tape players and TV's stolen. Somewhere, somehow, people get the idea that this is acceptable behavior.

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And guess where that starts.....with parenting. I read somewhere that when a child finds even one coin on the street, the parents go with the child to the police station to report the find. The police carefully take the report, and when the find is not claimed the child gets it back. Without parenting of this level of integrity, it wouldn't happen.

Yes, and I think you'll find it has far more to do with respecting ones fellow human being. There is very little of that around in western culture.

When I was little I found a watch on the street. My parents said we should take it to the police station. After a month I was told I could have it as nobody had claimed it. The policeman also told me that they auctioned off unclaimed property and gave it to some charity. I went with that option. I'm British, so your statement means nothing to me.

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