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13 hours ago, GrumpyRN said:

 

I came across this; 

https://thinkprogress.org/missouri-house-lawmakers-activist-god-given-duty-discriminate-lgbtq-people-c14b6a5ec638/

I know, probably wrong thread but it seems to be in keeping with the way this one is developing.

I think this is going to be one of the great battles here in America:  Does "religious freedom" allow the right to discriminate against LGBT persons.  

Canada's Supreme Court already decided this issue in favor of LGBT people, but with Trump being able to appoint justices to the US Supreme Court, it's likely that "religious freedom" won't favor LGBT people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44501139

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18 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Maybe if you were an American, you'd understand our values here. We support the Constitution, and all our laws and rules are derived from the Constitution.

 

12 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Consequences of free speech?

We are talking about the presentation here.

 

Yes. Little do you know, the core of this nation is not in race or color..but by a code where all human beings are created equal under the law.

As an American that "had to take a test" to become an American..

allow me to elaborate.

 

We have a saying. We cast our votes to speak here. Last time I heard, people from Germany or Scotland..have no say in how we run our politics.

 

Have you read the constitution? I presume you have. I haven't but I am aware of the 13th amendment. Are you aware that it still legalises slavery? Granted in certain circumstances but slavery nonetheless. What happened to "created equal."

 

Presentation? How about Charlottesville? That presentation by Unite the Right caused death and injury. BY THE RIGHT. You keep bringing up brownshirts and blackshirts and Mussolini but these were Fascists, a RIGHT WING organisations.

 

"We cast our votes to speak here." (Sorry in advance to my American colleagues for this.) Did you see the result of the presidential election in 2016? Did you also note that 2.8 Million voters were not allowed to speak, their votes were ignored because of the electoral college system. Also America has a very high percentage of disenfranchised citizens.

 

You are sounding like exactly what you are, a recent immigrant who knows the words but does not understand the reasoning or meaning behind them.

I have no problems with immigrants - Scotland likes our immigrants. So please feel free to spout out the stuff you have learned but please, please read something with a world point of view. Learn a bit about geopolitics and also the broader picture of your own adopted land.

Good luck to you.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, GrumpyRN said:

 

 

 

 

You are sounding like exactly what you are, a recent immigrant who knows the words but does not understand the reasoning or meaning behind them.

 

 

You obviously do not know the purpose of our Supreme Court then Grumpy.

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1 hour ago, BCgradnurse said:

Yes, it still exists today.  Many, including high ranking government officials, seek to constrain the rights of LGTBQ+ citizens, to not allow women to have autonomy over their own bodies. Synagogue, church, and mosque shootings are featured in the news.  Racism still exists, and yes, I would hazard a guess that there are some out there who hate Asians, too and would prefer they did not emigrate to this country.  

It is allowed by the government?

Or is it "individuals?"

 

Regarding the women's autonomy over their own bodies..the last time I checked, they do. We have already done the whole "interpretation of the law" by the Supreme Court.

 

Give me an example. Where is it that you see the "systemic racism?" Or is it racism and hatred that exists? What, you guys are trying to ban the cave dude living somewhere in the mountains to form his or her own twisted version of the world and become hateful?

 

You guys think the government can stop hate? We already have laws that prevent hate from materializing.

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"Where is it you see the "systemic racism?""

 have you not been following Black lives matter?

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The federal government has created a  Muslim ban, bans transgender persons in the military, passing draconian laws about women's right to reproductive care and refusing to enforce Title X. 

Regarding shootings in places of worship, exactly what has the government done to prevent these? Failure to act is tacit approval. 

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What I think is most important at this juncture in America is to have conversations that allow for the free spread of ideals and opinions, without viscous mockery or personal attacks. 

On the scale of nationwide vitriol, I believe that the internet is the same as any other form of feedback. The extremes constitute the whole. It's not enough for the average person to come and post their feelings onto forums or social media, it's those who feel most strongly. The protesters at any speaking event are not those who have the moderate feelings, it's the extremists of both ideologies.  

My own take is that we are leaving the common conversation of logic vs emotion, on both sides, and moving toward a claim of the biggest offence.

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10 hours ago, Lil Nel said:

Again, you are mistaken about US history.

The Constitution, as written, only applied to wealthy White men.

Women, not included.

Black men, not included.

Native Americans, not included.

Asians, not included.

All these folks are now included because ensuing generations of Americans view the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as a living document; not dogma.

So I am so mistaken about U.S. History....

that figures such as Benjamin Banneker just escapes my mind.

I mean, only the likes of Thomas Jefferson has replied to Benjamin saying,

"I THANK you, sincerely, for your letter of the 19th instant, and for the Almanac it contained. No body wishes more than I do, to see such proofs as you exhibit, that nature has given to our black brethren talents equal to those of the other colors of men ; and that the appearance of the want of them, is owing merely to the degraded condition of their existence, both in Africa and America (Thomas Jefferson, 1791)."

 

"Black brethren."

"Equal to those of the other colors of men."

 

Constitution was for the white men only? 😂 I mean, I guess(?). We do live in a era where a certain political party wants to just add more members to the Supreme Court.

 

I wonder why. 

(nah. I don't wonder about that. it's just so obvious)

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1 hour ago, DaveICURN said:

What I think is most important at this juncture in America is to have conversations that allow for the free spread of ideals and opinions, without viscous mockery or personal attacks. 

On the scale of nationwide vitriol, I believe that the internet is the same as any other form of feedback. The extremes constitute the whole. It's not enough for the average person to come and post their feelings onto forums or social media, it's those who feel most strongly. The protesters at any speaking event are not those who have the moderate feelings, it's the extremists of both ideologies.  

My own take is that we are leaving the common conversation of logic vs emotion, on both sides, and moving toward a claim of the biggest offence.

We "are" united in these things:

a) we care about ourselves

b) we care about our family members and our loved ones

c) we care about other people

 

Maybe we can build on that? But it just got too complicated. 😂 (seriously)

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2 hours ago, GrumpyRN said:

"Where is it you see the "systemic racism?""

 have you not been following Black lives matter?

So Grumpy. Give me one solid evidence of proof, where "systemic racism" exists in this nation.

And yes, the burden of proof is yours.

You are claiming it exists.

I, as a minority, claim it doesn't exist.

 

So, prove it.

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16 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

So Grumpy. Give me one solid evidence of proof, where "systemic racism" exists in this nation.

And yes, the burden of proof is yours.

You are claiming it exists.

I, as a minority, claim it doesn't exist.

 

So, prove it.

IMV, you are welcome to believe that racism is not systemic or institutional in this country. 

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