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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

Agree.  Some of the most guilty of this are conservative Christians that want their interpretation of the Bible to be considered law.   This is seen in them wanting public schools to teach scripture right alongside science they don't believe.  They want legal "religious freedom" to discriminate and laws have been passed to this affect.    Also they site the Bible as their main objection in marriage equality with same-sexed couples.  

https://rewire.news/article/2019/05/02/trump-administration-finalizes-health-care-discrimination-rule/

I came across this; 

https://thinkprogress.org/missouri-house-lawmakers-activist-god-given-duty-discriminate-lgbtq-people-c14b6a5ec638/

I know, probably wrong thread but it seems to be in keeping with the way this one is developing.

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10 hours ago, Tweety said:

 So does the university have the right to say "no you can't come here".  If they do is, is that a suppression of "free speech"?   

Being a private organization, absolutely! The first amendment only guarantees the government won't interfere. Private? Good to go. Heck, AN is even an example of that.

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

If that is true, then silence from people such as yourself is deafening and you're not doing much to stop people, such as the Vice President.  It's amazing that such a minority of Christians wield such influence. 

https://www.indems.org/a-timeline-of-mike-pences-discrimination-against-the-lgbt-community/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/here-are-the-worst-anti-lgbt-bills-to-watch-for-in-2019

I wonder how many health care providers are forced to participate in abortions against their objections.   Most of them aren't working in abortion clinics.  Plus I would think if that was happening they could find someone to help them.

 I once worked with a Jehovah Witness nurse whose religion didn't allow her to administer blood.  She's not working in a blood bank.  She worked nights on med surg and only one time did someone else have to administer blood to a patient she was assigned.  No one objected to do this.  She merely maturely asked me and I gladly gave the blood (it was actually already hanging by the day shift, I merely took it down and did the post transfusion vitals and assessment)

I'm against abortion so I stay away from jobs that abort fetuses.  

I also an pro-life and against abortion and the death penalty. 

But no one has to participate in an abortion. Federal law prevents that.
 

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§ 300a–7.   Sterilization or abortion

Prohibition of public officials and public authorities from imposition of certain requirements contrary to religious beliefs or moral convictions

The receipt of any grant, contract, loan, or loan guarantee under the Public Health Service Act [42 U.S.C. 201 et seq.], the Community Mental Health Centers Act [42 U.S.C. 2689 et seq.], or the Developmental Disabilities Services and Facilities Construction Act [42 U.S.C. 6000 et seq.] by any individual or entity does not authorize any court or any public official or other public authority to require— such individual to perform or assist in the performance of any sterilization procedure or abortion if his performance or assistance in the performance of such procedure or abortion would be contrary to his religious beliefs or moral convictions; or such entity to— make its facilities available for the performance of any sterilization procedure or abortion if the performance of such procedure or abortion in such facilities is prohibited by the entity on the basis of religious beliefs or moral convictions, or  provide any personnel for the performance or assistance in the performance of any sterilization procedure or abortion if the performance or assistance in the performance of such procedures or abortion by such personnel would be contrary to the religious beliefs or moral convictions of such personnel.

No entity which receives a grant, contract, loan, or loan guarantee under the Public Health Service Act [42 U.S.C. 201 et seq.], the Community Mental Health Centers Act [42 U.S.C. 2689 et seq.], or the Developmental Disabilities Services and Facilities Construction Act [42 U.S.C. 6000 et seq.] after June 18, 1973, may—

(A) discriminate in the employment, promotion, or termination of employment of any physician or other health care personnel, or

(B) discriminate in the extension of staff or other privileges to any physician or other health care personnel, because he performed or assisted in the performance of a lawful sterilization procedure or abortion, because he refused to perform or assist in the performance of such a procedure or abortion on the grounds that his performance or assistance in the performance of the procedure or abortion would be contrary to his religious beliefs or moral convictions, or because of his religious beliefs or moral convictions respecting sterilization procedures or abortions...

https://www.govregs.com/uscode/42/300a–7 

I remember when L&D nurses were told that the facility planned to do C sections, post delivery tubal ligations and abortions on the L&D unit. Previously they had been done in the main OR. At first nurses were told they had no choice. Most had concerns about competency with learning the circulating nurse role. Even nurses with moral and/or religious convictions were told they could just resign unless willing to participate.

Our union helped educate management about the law. Both federal and state law prohibit forcing a healthcare worker to participate in abortion.

With the unions help all nurses wrote a letter to management informing of their intent to not participate.

This facility has many deliveries. The schedule is made to guarantee at least two RNs will assist with the procedures. Abortions are very rare but many tubal ligations are done.

At a smaller facility L&D RNs may have had to transfer to post partum or the nursery. 

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1 hour ago, GrumpyRN said:

I love the "we/our" from someone who was not born in the US and had to pass an exam to say they are American.

From a British citizen who seems to be more aware than you are; you do know that while the first amendment gives you free speech it does not give you immunity from the consequences of that free speech. 

Consequences of free speech?

We are talking about the presentation here.

 

Yes. Little do you know, the core of this nation is not in race or color..but by a code where all human beings are created equal under the law.

As an American that "had to take a test" to become an American..

allow me to elaborate.

 

We have a saying. We cast our votes to speak here. Last time I heard, people from Germany or Scotland..have no say in how we run our politics.

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Seeing how the Supreme Court determined that money equated speech in Citizens United, Trump actually did try to give the UK a say when he asked for donations in 2016

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/288031-trump-campaign-solicits-illegal-foreign-donations-despite-warnings%3famp

as for “all human beings are created equal”, that code has been evolving. I am speaking of course of slavery, Native American genocide, and women’s suffrage.

In present day, there are some are trying to remove rights.

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Some interesting facts and opinions:

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‘Freedom of Speech’ Does Not Mean Freedom of Consequences

https://www.ebony.com/news/freedom-of-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-of-consequences-404/ 

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36 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Seeing how the Supreme Court determined that money equated speech in Citizens United, Trump actually did try to give the UK a say when he asked for donations in 2016

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/288031-trump-campaign-solicits-illegal-foreign-donations-despite-warnings%3famp

as for “all human beings are created equal”, that code has been evolving. I am speaking of course of slavery, Native American genocide, and women’s suffrage.

In present day, there are some are trying to remove rights.

All the examples you have given,

 

still exists today? You make it sound like my race (Asian) would be drinking from a separate public water fountain.

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4 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Consequences of free speech?

We are talking about the presentation here.

 

Yes. Little do you know, the core of this nation is not in race or color..but by a code where all human beings are created equal under the law.

As an American that "had to take a test" to become an American..

allow me to elaborate.

 

We have a saying. We cast our votes to speak here. Last time I heard, people from Germany or Scotland..have no say in how we run our politics.

Again, you are mistaken about US history.

The Constitution, as written, only applied to wealthy White men.

Women, not included.

Black men, not included.

Native Americans, not included.

Asians, not included.

All these folks are now included because ensuing generations of Americans view the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as a living document; not dogma.

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8 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

All the examples you have given,

 

still exists today? You make it sound like my race (Asian) would be drinking from a separate public water fountain.

Yes, it still exists today.  Many, including high ranking government officials, seek to constrain the rights of LGTBQ+ citizens, to not allow women to have autonomy over their own bodies. Synagogue, church, and mosque shootings are featured in the news.  Racism still exists, and yes, I would hazard a guess that there are some out there who hate Asians, too and would prefer they did not emigrate to this country.  

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12 hours ago, Rose_Queen said:

Being a private organization, absolutely! The first amendment only guarantees the government won't interfere. Private? Good to go. Heck, AN is even an example of that.

Agree.  

But I'm talking about public universities.   An example would be the university of California at Berkley that has had several violent and costly issues surrounding free speech.  

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20 minutes ago, BCgradnurse said:

Yes, it still exists today.  Many, including high ranking government officials, seek to constrain the rights of LGTBQ+ citizens, to not allow women to have autonomy over their own bodies. Synagogue, church, and mosque shootings are featured in the news.  Racism still exists, and yes, I would hazard a guess that there are some out there who hate Asians, too and would prefer they did not emigrate to this country.  

Very true, BC.

Harvard University has been taken to court for allegedly discriminating against Asian students.

Racism is very much alive in the USA.

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12 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Consequences of free speech?

We are talking about the presentation here.

Yes. Little do you know, the core of this nation is not in race or color..but by a code where all human beings are created equal under the law.

As an American that "had to take a test" to become an American..

allow me to elaborate.

We have a saying. We cast our votes to speak here. Last time I heard, people from Germany or Scotland..have no say in how we run our politics.

I actually understand what you are saying here.  Immigrants such as yourself that have actually had to study the constitution understand it more than a lot of people born here.  

That is what the founders believed that "all human beings are created equal under the law".  However, it was written in a time when Americans owned slaves.  African Americans had to fight all the way up to the 1960's for the right to not be forced to the back of the bus.  Gay people had to fight in the 1970's and are still fighting today for the right to be considered equal.

Like I said before, a lot of people want and think the Bible overrides the constitution.  Our Vice President even hinted at this during his first speeches when Trump appointed him "I'm a Christian first".   Amy Coney Barrett, a circuit court judge appointed by Trump has suggested that religion overrules the Constitution.  

Yes, sadly people don't understand that we're all created equal all these hundreds of years later.

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