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4 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

I can't think of a single instance where the "opposition group (whomever. who cares)" isn't a "non-conservative" though.

I can. I experienced counter protesters in 2005 when with fellow nurses, teachers, firefighters, and others we protested with a permit outside the hotel where the governor was holding a fundraiser. The governor had illegally eliminated the med/surg and ER parts our safe staffing ratio law with an executive order. (He eventually lost in court.) Teachers, Highway Patrol, firefighters, and other government workers were protesting the governor's plan to decrease their retirement plan and to eliminate the payments to widows and children of government workers killed in the line of duty.

A group of about Minutemen counter protested with their agenda being against illegal immigration. They were mostly ignored although they tries to be loud. They yelled at people, including me, asking if we were bor in the United States.

Here is a link to a discussion here about that protest: 

 https://allnurses.com/hundreds-protest-ca-governors-reform-t71661/

Here is an article about a peaceful counter protest by Minutemen:

https://www.ksl.com/article/188626

Below is one of many tea party counter protests at a 2009 "Healthcare Townhall"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wheelchair-bound-woman-sh_n_275472 

https://allnurses-breakroom.com/wheelchair-bound-woman-shouted-down-at-t77923/

 

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Did any of those "protesters" use tactics such as :

 

rioting

barring the entrances to the buildings

and burning stuffs or throwing rocks at the participants?

 

Those are illegal.

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23 hours ago, GrumpyRN said:

OMG, Grumpy!

From today's CNN:

Conservative Pundit Ben Shapiro Admits He Was 'Destroyed' Fter Cutting Short TV Debate 

Shapiro actually stormed off the set telling (Andrew) Neil: "I am popular, and no one has heard of you."

I guess those are the debate techniques the right-wing is teaching these days.

Hilarious.

I guess those the right here touts as the future of conservative thought, are let's say, a bit lacking.

Candace Owens is a joke, and so is Ben Shapiro.

He behaved like a toddler.

Too funny!

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1 hour ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Did any of those "protesters" use tactics such as :

 

rioting

barring the entrances to the buildings

and burning stuffs or throwing rocks at the participants?

 

Those are illegal.

No. Watch the video. Sometimes an embedded video doesn't play, but you can watch it on YouTube if you want to.

Tea Party members, some of whom are my friends, were counter protesting. They consider themselves conservative. I was giving a couple examples of conservatives being counter protesters. In my experience most conservatives are fine people that I sometimes disagree with.

I just posted my experience. 

 
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I can't think of a single instance where the "opposition group (whomever. who cares)" isn't a "non-conservative" though.

 

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2 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

They are teaching something seriously wrong in this nation it seems. People are gathering the idea where "what they think = truth & the law."

Agree.  Some of the most guilty of this are conservative Christians that want their interpretation of the Bible to be considered law.   This is seen in them wanting public schools to teach scripture right alongside science they don't believe.  They want legal "religious freedom" to discriminate and laws have been passed to this affect.    Also they site the Bible as their main objection in marriage equality with same-sexed couples.  

https://rewire.news/article/2019/05/02/trump-administration-finalizes-health-care-discrimination-rule/

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Kudos to an immigrant defining American values.

From NPR:

After Backlash, RI School Rolls Back 'Lunch Shaming' Policy

The founder of Chobani yogurt, Hamdi Ulukaya, donated nearly $50k to pay off students debt.

I became a fan if Chobani, a couple of years ago, after reading in the NY Times, how right-wingers were vilifying Mr. Ulukaya, for hiring immigrants at his US factories.

Yes, instead of celebrating Ulukaya for his success, right-wingers vilified him.

That was enough for me to become a loyal consumer of Chobani products!

I use the term right-wingers in these instances because these people are not true conservatives.

True conservatives would applaud the efforts of Ulukaya.

 

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Agree.  Some of the most guilty of this are conservative Christians that want their interpretation of the Bible to be considered law.   This is seen in them wanting public schools to teach scripture right alongside science they don't believe.  They want legal "religious freedom" to discriminate and laws have been passed to this affect.    Also they site the Bible as their main objection in marriage equality with same-sexed couples.  

https://rewire.news/article/2019/05/02/trump-administration-finalizes-health-care-discrimination-rule/

Speaking from my personal experience I dont think that most (everyday) conservative Christians want those things (that you state). Most just dont want to be labeled for their religious beliefs, that yes, do come from the Bible. Most I know have no intention of foisting off their beliefs (myself included) on others, believing that people are free to choose for themselves.

I hadnt heard about the laws you are talking about (in your article) so I did some looking around. I can see how a few of the issues make sense, not for forcing a nurse to take part in an abortion (unless emergency); but, I agree that it (the mandates) go too far.

As far as Antifa goes, of course they are free to speak their minds but they seem to have a bad habit of being violent.

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12 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

Speaking from my personal experience I dont think that most (everyday) conservative Christians want those things (that you state). Most just dont want to be labeled for their religious beliefs, that yes, do come from the Bible. Most I know have no intention of foisting off their beliefs (myself included) on others, believing that people are free to choose for themselves.

If that is true, then silence from people such as yourself is deafening and you're not doing much to stop people, such as the Vice President.  It's amazing that such a minority of Christians wield such influence. 

https://www.indems.org/a-timeline-of-mike-pences-discrimination-against-the-lgbt-community/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/here-are-the-worst-anti-lgbt-bills-to-watch-for-in-2019

I wonder how many health care providers are forced to participate in abortions against their objections.   Most of them aren't working in abortion clinics.  Plus I would think if that was happening they could find someone to help them.

 I once worked with a Jehovah Witness nurse whose religion didn't allow her to administer blood.  She's not working in a blood bank.  She worked nights on med surg and only one time did someone else have to administer blood to a patient she was assigned.  No one objected to do this.  She merely maturely asked me and I gladly gave the blood (it was actually already hanging by the day shift, I merely took it down and did the post transfusion vitals and assessment)

I'm against abortion so I stay away from jobs that abort fetuses.  

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1 hour ago, Lil Nel said:

Kudos to an immigrant defining American values.

From NPR:

After Backlash, RI School Rolls Back 'Lunch Shaming' Policy

The founder of Chobani yogurt, Hamdi Ulukaya, donated nearly $50k to pay off students debt.

I became a fan if Chobani, a couple of years ago, after reading in the NY Times, how right-wingers were vilifying Mr. Ulukaya, for hiring immigrants at his US factories.

Yes, instead of celebrating Ulukaya for his success, right-wingers vilified him.

That was enough for me to become a loyal consumer of Chobani products!

I use the term right-wingers in these instances because these people are not true conservatives.

True conservatives would applaud the efforts of Ulukaya.

 

Weird people. Let the private business owner run his business the way he pleases to (of course, not breaking laws).

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9 minutes ago, Tweety said:

If that is true, then silence from people such as yourself is deafening and you're not doing much to stop people, such as the Vice President.  It's amazing that such a minority of Christians wield such influence. 

https://www.indems.org/a-timeline-of-mike-pences-discrimination-against-the-lgbt-community/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/here-are-the-worst-anti-lgbt-bills-to-watch-for-in-2019

I wonder how many health care providers are forced to participate in abortions against their objections.   Most of them aren't working in abortion clinics.  Plus I would think if that was happening they could find someone to help them.

 I once worked with a Jehovah Witness nurse whose religion didn't allow her to administer blood.  She's not working in a blood bank.  She worked nights on med surg and only one time did someone else have to administer blood to a patient she was assigned.  No one objected to do this.  She merely maturely asked me and I gladly gave the blood (it was actually already hanging by the day shift, I merely took it down and did the post transfusion vitals and assessment)

I'm against abortion so I stay away from jobs that abort fetuses.  

I agree with you that those nurses who oppose such issues should avoid those areas. I also am agaisnt abortion so would never go work for planned parenthood etc. But I can also see how a nurse could be in a situation that he/she might get dragged into it (in a hospital setting), I dont know if that would ever happen but protections in place would be nice so you wouldnt have to worry about it. I have also done the blood hanging type thing for others but unless you work in a setting where that is expected (Onc) than it would be nice to have that law in place for a float etc. But like i said, I think Trumps regs go too far. I know a few gay/lesbian couples that would make much better parents than some heterosexual couple. Not a good way to decide.

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5 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Maybe if you were an American, you'd understand our values here. We support the Constitution, and all our laws and rules are derived from the Constitution.

I love the "we/our" from someone who was not born in the US and had to pass an exam to say they are American.

From a British citizen who seems to be more aware than you are; you do know that while the first amendment gives you free speech it does not give you immunity from the consequences of that free speech. 

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