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9 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

The straw that broke the camel's back per say, is when I saw the massive protests against the fundamental aspect of what America is: that is, the practice of free speech..

Protest is the most precious form of free speech in my opinion.  It started way back when the settlers threw off the Crown and goes on to this day.  As annoying as it might be to have someone protest someone you believe in, it's just how things are done.  

Plus, as someone said, free speech is not without it's consequences.  People are sometimes held accountable for what they say.   

Sarah Palin epitomized this attitude when she complained when a TV star was fired on Duck Dynasty for homophobic comments saying "I guess free speech is dead".  But when a reporter demeaned her with a vulgar statement (as free speech allows us to do) she demanded he be fired (and he was).   

You can't have it both ways.

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1 minute ago, Tweety said:

Protest is the most precious form of free speech in my opinion.  

You call it a protest, while I see this happening:

 

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Fair enough.  I obviously don't approve of setting fires, and I don't appreciate someone disrupting someone's speech.  

Still Republicans have disrupted things themselves, even a congressperson screaming out "YOU LIE" to Obama disrupting him.  Obama's "town hall meetings" were disrupted by Republicans opposing Obamacare with people being encouraged via social media to show and interrupt him.  

Still, I do think that disruptive protests sometimes are necessary.  If ACTUP hadn't "acted up" with disruptive protest and got medication and research fast tracked for persons AIDS, perhaps tens and thousands more people would have died.

PETA has been very effective with their use of free speech in getting big corporations like L'Oreal to stop testing on animals. 

Again, we can't have it both ways.   The price we pay for freedom is that we have these disruptive people, that we have the KKK and other organizations.

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15 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Broad generalization? We "came" from that system where the government holds the most power, and people get sentenced for even practicing the ideology of speech.

Strangely, "we" see the same rhetoric from the side of the Democrats (and also certain GOP members). Larger government, larger taxes, due to -insert excuse here-

 

The straw that broke the camel's back per say, is when I saw the massive protests against the fundamental aspect of what America is: that is, the practice of free speech..

Ever see "conservatives" burning buildings and setting campuses on fire here in this nation because a speaker decided to show up invited at their place?

Give me a link. Surely, you can provide some links right?

I can give you countless examples of ANTIFA acting like the goons of Mussolini.

Don't blow smoke and tell us there's a fire.  You are the one who claimed that EVERYONE around you votes GOP. That is, of course nonsense unless you isolate yourself in a conservative bubble.

Yeah, conservatives burn buildings in this country, sometimes they burn crosses or people too. Feel free to provide links to attempt support of your claims and broad generalizations. Frankly, I'm not impressed with your fixation on antifa. You seem confused and under some misimpression that the group functions like the KKK the neo-Nazis. A quick review of hate groups in your new nation might be of benefit to you. 

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2 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Fair enough.  I obviously don't approve of setting fires, and I don't appreciate someone disrupting someone's speech.  

Still Republicans have disrupted things themselves, even a congressperson screaming out "YOU LIE" to Obama disrupting him.  Obama's "town hall meetings" were disrupted by Republicans opposing Obamacare with people being encouraged via social media to show and interrupt him.  

Still, I do think that disruptive protests sometimes are necessary.  If ACTUP hadn't "acted up" with disruptive protest and got medication and research fast tracked for persons AIDS, perhaps tens and thousands more people would have died.

PETA has been very effective with their use of free speech in getting big corporations like L'Oreal to stop testing on animals. 

Again, we can't have it both ways.   The price we pay for freedom is that we have these disruptive people, that we have the KKK and other organizations.

People have the right to free speech. That is defined by our Constitution and the core philosophy in what it means to be an American.

You however, do not have the right to "prevent" that free speech (that congressperson you mentioned) or to block entrances or cause violence: calling that "protest."

 

You see how dangerous it can get? People have different opinions when it comes to "protests." 

The right to peacefully assemble.

The right to free speech.

 

Cannot be disputed. There was nothing peaceful about those "protesters."

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3 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Don't blow smoke and tell us there's a fire.  You are the one who claimed that EVERYONE around you votes GOP. That is, of course nonsense unless you isolate yourself in a conservative bubble.

Yes. Everyone "personal" around me votes for the GOP.

That includes,

immigrants, friends, work colleagues, investors, and business owners.

I should emphasize: First generation immigrants. Another phrase would be, "Naturalized Americans."

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9 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

 

Yeah, conservatives burn buildings in this country, sometimes they burn crosses or people too.

Please provide us some links. These "conservatives" going around preventing free speech.

I have provided just "some" examples of these ANTIFA members disrupting our right, which is to practice Free Speech.

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Like I said again, "this kind of action" was one of the main force that made me align my views with the "conservatives."

 

Goes everything against why I even became an American.

 

 

 

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55 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

I can give you countless examples of ANTIFA acting like the goons of Mussolini.

No you can't! Because Mussolini was a FASCIST AND RIGHT WING. The very thing ANTIFA are protesting against.

 

Out of curiosity, what do you call this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47208909

And for clarity, the reporter with the cameraman is blind. So a big tough "conservative" attacking defenceless people.

 

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1 hour ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Allow me to share with you a core of American value which I knew..even before I became an "American."

 

We (Americans) don't care how the world thinks of us. We refers to, people whose voice matters. In this case, American voters.

That would include the likes of me.

Unless you're a expat Grumpy, and can mail in your votes. 🙂

Unfortunately your leader thinks otherwise. He seems to really, really care what Putin, Xi, Kim Jong Un, Orban and the Saudi leaders think of him.

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