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2 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

My side? What does that even mean?  No, I don't believe in taxing people because they make too much money. Again, I have no idea what too much money is. There are economists that would argue that a higher tax rate on the wealthy encourages them to reinvest their money to avoid paying taxes and that boosts the economy. 

I think government should be frugal, and spend within their means. But I think there is value in an educated, healthy populace, safe food and water, reliable electricity and internet.  But I don't think that can happen at a flat tax rate, while supporting a bloated military. 

 

Agree with all of the above.  Also, I think it is an American value to show compassion to those less fortunate.  It is an erroneous, persistent myth that the poor are lazy.  We tend to see people's circumstances as a reflection of their character, but excuse our own foibles as due to "bad luck".  Hard work and a good education is no longer a guarantee for an easy life.  A large percentage of the poor in our country work, sometimes more than 1 job.  Yes, there are some who game the system, but that's the minority. I'd rather lose a few dollars to an undeserving recipient than 1 child go hungry, even if that child isn't mine.  Consider yourself very, very fortunate if there is never a time in your life when you need some assistance.  A civilized nation is measured by how it treats its most vulnerable.

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4 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Which life devastating regulations did the President cut to promote job growth? He gave West Virginia what they wanted and that was coal. Do I use coal? Only when I BBQ stuff. Why would I care? If West Virginians want to mine coal, let them mine coal...

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Coal Mining Jobs Trump Would Bring Back No Longer Exist

 The coal industry has been replacing workers with machines and explosives...

...   When President Trump moved on Tuesday to dismantle the Obama administration’s climate change efforts, he promised it would bring coal-mining jobs back to America. But the jobs he alluded to — hardy miners in mazelike tunnels with picks and shovels — have steadily become vestiges of the past....

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/29/business/coal-jobs-trump-appalachia.html

 

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14 hours ago, BCgradnurse said:

So I'm getting the feeling, and I hope I am wrong, that you really only care about what affects you directly.  Do you understand that coal mining destroys the land, makes people sick, and the burning of coal contributes to the destruction of the environment?  That coal mining in West Virginia can ultimately harm someone far away?  Do you not care about the kind of destruction that can harm future generations, or do you not care because you'll be dead anyway?

I guess you're just not a big picture kind of guy.

A big picture kind of guy?

Must be so nice living in the West coast. Using imported goods from China as they just dump waste into the Pacific Ocean.

When did the radiation from Japan hit the coast of California by the way?

 

Oh. Right. They really do "care" more than us,

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13 hours ago, BCgradnurse said:

Agree with all of the above.  Also, I think it is an American value to show compassion to those less fortunate.  It is an erroneous, persistent myth that the poor are lazy.  We tend to see people's circumstances as a reflection of their character, but excuse our own foibles as due to "bad luck".  Hard work and a good education is no longer a guarantee for an easy life.  A large percentage of the poor in our country work, sometimes more than 1 job.  Yes, there are some who game the system, but that's the minority. I'd rather lose a few dollars to an undeserving recipient than 1 child go hungry, even if that child isn't mine.  Consider yourself very, very fortunate if there is never a time in your life when you need some assistance.  A civilized nation is measured by how it treats its most vulnerable.

Compassion yes (this is an American value).

But not by force.

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38 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

A big picture kind of guy?

Must be so nice living in the West coast. Using imported goods from China as they just dump waste into the Pacific Ocean.

When did the radiation from Japan hit the coast of California by the way?

 

Oh. Right. They really do "care" more than us,

What are you talking about?  This makes no sense.

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43 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

A big picture kind of guy?

Must be so nice living in the West coast. Using imported goods from China as they just dump waste into the Pacific Ocean.

When did the radiation from Japan hit the coast of California by the way?

 

Oh. Right. They really do "care" more than us,

You would be doing yourself a big favor, by studying the adage about the word assume.

Because you fell into the assume trap.

BC doesn't live on the West Coast.

You seem to be living under a delusion about the US.

Surely, you have noticed that most Americans consume a steady diet of cheap, China made goods.

Surely, you have noticed that most Americans love cheap!

They give little thought, just as you, as to the overall health effects of coal.

If you plan to spout off inflammatory rhetoric, you need better comebacks than simplistic insults.

That may work with the Trumpster crowd, but the liberals on this thread will demand a better thought process.

 

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21 minutes ago, BCgradnurse said:

What are you talking about?  This makes no sense.

Many of the posts make no sense, if you notice.

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20 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

...   Depends on what your "daunting" challenge is. My side doesn't buy into the rhetoric of punishing success. How do I know this?

Many immigrants came to this nation barely knowing how to speak English, and now they are business owners. Your side has decided that "they are making too much money."

Who is taking sides? My husband owned a store. The store next to him was owned by a young couple with young children recently here from South Korea. During commonly slow hours only one person worked at each store. They looked out for each other to prevent theft when their neighbor went to the bathroom. 

My husband retired and sold his business to them. Their kids are now in college and the parents almost never staff their stores, their employees do. And sometimes on weekends their kids are their employees.

I don't know any Americans of any political "side" who want to punish success. Guess what? Los Angeles is #1 in successful new businesses.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-05/los-angeles-economic-boom-outpaces-u-s-cities 

https://losangeles.score.org/news/score-la-business-helping-start-new-businesses

http://mbcla.lacity.org/

https://www.builtinla.com/2018/01/16/50-la-startups-watch-2018

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-50-coolest-new-businesses-in-america-2012-12

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4 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Compassion yes (this is an American value).

But not by force.

Forced compassion? Does that mean using the tax dollars of the stingy and greedy to assist the poor, sick and vulnerable citizens?

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16 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Forced compassion? Does that mean using the tax dollars of the stingy and greedy to assist the poor, sick and vulnerable citizens?

That must be right-wing blank talk, for tax dollars that go towards social safety programs, such as SSI, SS and food stamps.

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21 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Answer the question please.

So the courts were involved (got involved)

and was it settled or not?

 

Was the "deal" made, or not?

 

Depends on what your "daunting" challenge is. My side doesn't buy into the rhetoric of punishing success. How do I know this?

Many immigrants came to this nation barely knowing how to speak English, and now they are business owners. Your side has decided that "they are making too much money."

So is your issue that "our side" (whatever the heck that means) doesn't want immigrants to be successful?  Is that what you're trying to say here?  Please clarify.

FWIW-the majority of us are immigrants, unless you are 100% Native American.  Some arrived here recently, some a few generations ago.  Not wanting immigrants to succeed would be wanting the entire country to fail.  

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2 hours ago, BCgradnurse said:

So is your issue that "our side" (whatever the heck that means) doesn't want immigrants to be successful?  Is that what you're trying to say here?  Please clarify.

FWIW-the majority of us are immigrants, unless you are 100% Native American.  Some arrived here recently, some a few generations ago.  Not wanting immigrants to succeed would be wanting the entire country to fail.  

I'm a first generation immigrant. 🙂

And I'm a "conservative." 

Why?

It's due and for those "conservative values" that I gave up my previous nationality, while pledging allegiance to this nation.

So, we have very different opinions and views on what "immigrants" are obviously.

And guess who the first generation immigrant is? 🙂

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