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12 hours ago, nursej22 said:

So if you are wealthy, do you deserve to evict people from your apartment building so that you can charge higher rents? Do you deserve to hire contractors and then refuse to pay them after they have completed their work? Do you deserve to run factories that spew pollution into the air and water, without being liable?

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12 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Regarding pollution, I still blame BP for ruining our Gulf of Mexico. They just covered it up but you don't hear it on the news these days

I agree regarding BP. We discussed it here then. But I'm interested in your answer if you choose to answer nursej22's question.

 

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12 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Regarding pollution, I still blame BP for ruining our Gulf of Mexico. They just covered it up but you don't hear it on the news these days.

You do hear about it in the news today.

It came up a few weeks ago, with Trump proposals to further weaken environmental regulations that would help prevent another BP oil gush.

But requiring business to follow environmental rules and regulations, would just take away their "free will," I suppose.

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We have regulations in place that prevent the agent(s) of threat against our citizens. That includes having a strong military force, border security,

 

and environmental regulations.

 

Not "freebies and hand outs."

Edited by KonichiwaRN

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1 hour ago, herring_RN said:

I agree regarding BP. We discussed it here then. But I'm interested in your answer if you choose to answer nursej22's question.

 

Still waiting for a response/reply. One way discussions aren't discussions at all. 

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5 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

We have regulations in place that prevent the agent(s) of threat against our citizens. That includes having a strong military force, border security,

 

and environmental regulations.

 

Not "freebies and hand outs."

This post makes no sense.

Please elaborate.

The military and border security don't have anything to do with EPA regulations.

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(Nurse J's questions?)

So if you are wealthy, do you deserve to evict people from your apartment building so that you can charge higher rents?

-You are a apartment owner? Then, you have the right to do what you please, as long as it doesn't violate the contract signed with your tenants.

 

Do you deserve to hire contractors and then refuse to pay them after they have completed their work?

-This would be a violation of contract. Again, notice the importance about contracts.

 

Do you deserve to run factories that spew pollution into the air and water, without being liable? 

-You would be liable: again, notice my post above. We have rules and regulations in place already that prevents harm for our citizens.

 

That includes border security, military force (might), and courts that uphold contractual agreements between private parties (landlord-tenant, factory owners, business owners and employees).

 

Again, not "freebies or handouts." Just making sure I get that point across. 🙂

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The current president has been touting, or bragging about cutting regulations to spur job growth. How do you feel about that? Should Americans be subjected to increased pollutants as a trade-off for economic growth? For instance, Wyoming wants to sue my state to allow the transport and shipping of coal to China. Do you think this is an American value? 

Also, the current president has a well-known reputation for not paying contractors, and then waiting for them to sue, so that he can pay them pennies on the dollar to settle. Is this an American value? He has the money and time to basically force them to settle for less than the contract. Does this make him a savvy business man, demonstrating American values? 

 

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15 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

bragging about cutting regulations to spur job growth.

For instance, Wyoming wants to sue my state to allow the transport and shipping of coal to China. Do you think this is an American value? 

 well-known reputation for not paying contractors, and then waiting for them to sue, so that he can pay them pennies on the dollar to settle. Is this an American value?

 

Which life devastating regulations did the President cut to promote job growth? He gave West Virginia what they wanted and that was coal. Do I use coal? Only when I BBQ stuff. Why would I care? If West Virginians want to mine coal, let them mine coal.

 

Looks like that case will be settled in court then, between Wyoming and "your state." Anyways, by the look of things..China might not want to purchase coal from our nation due to the tariffs rising.

 

Did they settle or not? And, he paid them pennies? Now don't get me wrong: I consider Trump University to be a total lie. Since you brought up Trump not paying his contractors: was the court involved?

 

 

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The importance of our judicial system.

 

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Yes, courts have been involved with several suits involving Trump. I am sure your Google works as well as mine. 

But do you think it is an American value for citizens to come together to overcome daunting challenges? Or is it everyone for themselves? 

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Answer the question please.

So the courts were involved (got involved)

and was it settled or not?

 

Was the "deal" made, or not?

 

Depends on what your "daunting" challenge is. My side doesn't buy into the rhetoric of punishing success. How do I know this?

Many immigrants came to this nation barely knowing how to speak English, and now they are business owners. Your side has decided that "they are making too much money."

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My side? What does that even mean?  No, I don't believe in taxing people because they make too much money. Again, I have no idea what too much money is. There are economists that would argue that a higher tax rate on the wealthy encourages them to reinvest their money to avoid paying taxes and that boosts the economy. 

I think government should be frugal, and spend within their means. But I think there is value in an educated, healthy populace, safe food and water, reliable electricity and internet.  But I don't think that can happen at a flat tax rate, while supporting a bloated military. 

 

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3 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Which life devastating regulations did the President cut to promote job growth? He gave West Virginia what they wanted and that was coal. Do I use coal? Only when I BBQ stuff. Why would I care? If West Virginians want to mine coal, let them mine coal.

 

Looks like that case will be settled in court then, between Wyoming and "your state." Anyways, by the look of things..China might not want to purchase coal from our nation due to the tariffs rising.

 

Did they settle or not? And, he paid them pennies? Now don't get me wrong: I consider Trump University to be a total lie. Since you brought up Trump not paying his contractors: was the court involved?

 

 

Again notice.

The importance of our judicial system.

 

So I'm getting the feeling, and I hope I am wrong, that you really only care about what affects you directly.  Do you understand that coal mining destroys the land, makes people sick, and the burning of coal contributes to the destruction of the environment?  That coal mining in West Virginia can ultimately harm someone far away?  Do you not care about the kind of destruction that can harm future generations, or do you not care because you'll be dead anyway?

I guess you're just not a big picture kind of guy.

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