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Today is Good Friday...Most of us know what this day signifies, and recognize it as the day Jesus died on the cross...and going outide, seeing crossses shining on steeples, and seeing everyone rush around for "that Sunday Easter dress" and it made me think about how important the concept of today really is......

For example: A woman goes out to buy a shirt, and she finds one she really likes. She has the money to pay for it. If she exchanges her money for the shirt, she's saying the shirt is more valuable than the money. If she keeps the money and doesn't purchase the shirt, she's saying that her money is more important than the shirt. This shows her "values", I guess you could call it....

Now, God had a Son.......and He put so much value on US, that He gave us His son to pay the debt for our sin. God loved us so much, He gave us His Son! That's the value he puts on us; Even those who don't believe in Him...To me, that makes me feel pretty valuable and loved...because that's the ultimate price anyone could ever pay...

Just wanted to kinda put yet another spin, or perspective on this...Hope you all have a wonderful, peaceful and happy day!!!! :redbeathe:redbeathe:redbeathe

Feel free to comment!!!! Love you all:redpinkhe

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A great number of good people around the world do not recognize this day, and rather recognize the value of reason, rationality, and humanity over superstition. I myself have no evidence to support a believe in an all-powerful spirit-being who sends his son (who is also himself) on a suicide mission, as reported in a book written by pre-Dark Ages people who had little comprehension of how the Universe really works.

Have a Reasonable Day!!

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A great number of good people around the world do not recognize this day, and rather recognize the value of reason, rationality, and humanity over superstition. I myself have no evidence to support a believe in an all-powerful spirit-being who sends his son (who is also himself) on a suicide mission, as reported in a book written by pre-Dark Ages people who had little comprehension of how the Universe really works.

Have a Reasonable Day!!

just because you personally do not celebrate this holiday, gives you no reason to disrespect those who do.

displaying a modicum of tolerance, only serves to augment the rapport of man, when accepting our collective differences with grace and benevolence.

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Where in my comment did I show disrespect for people? I disrespect their unfounded and unsupportable beliefs, but I do not disrespect the people. I fully support anyone's right to believe anything they want, which also means I have the right not to believe, and to support my non-belief with reason.On the contrary, it is the non-believer in gods and demons that is attacked and disrespected for his non-belief more than the "faithful"? Have no fear, though, because secular humanism is on the rise throughout the world.

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Disrespect is not an admirable trait in anyone. While you may not believe as another does there is no reason to to be disrespectful of others beliefs. One may find carrying a rabbit's foot useless in bringing good luck but how does it enhance anyone to make fun of that person or put them down for their beliefs?

Spirituality is not about a religion. It includes our value systems. I find it difficult to believe that secular humanism would embrace a value of mocking others. Disrespect is not a healthy core value.

Of course you may be just another troll.

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There will always be those who delight in throwing a turd in the punchbowl, then watching how people respond when they get splashed with the contents. Perhaps it would be better for us to recall what our mammas taught us about dealing with the kids who teased us in the schoolyard, and follow the sage advice not to react to it. :)

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A great number of good people around the world do not recognize this day, and rather recognize the value of reason, rationality, and humanity over superstition. I myself have no evidence to support a believe in an all-powerful spirit-being who sends his son (who is also himself) on a suicide mission, as reported in a book written by pre-Dark Ages people who had little comprehension of how the Universe really works.

Have a Reasonable Day!!

I respect your beliefs, and thank you for voicing them...Perhaps you didn't mean offense in your post, and those words just slipped out?!?!:redbeathe

My point in this thread was to highlight the fact of the events of Black Friday, and to also point out God loved you so much He valued you more than His son, whether you believe in Him or not...Just another perspective from someone else's shoes :)....I wasn't trying to make you believe in a holiday you think is a bunch of made up stuff...:redbeathe

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Let's see now--I express my non-belief in some religious ideas, and the fact that there are many people who think like I do, and I am compared to a troll, a punchbowl turd thrower, and labelled disrespectful. Of these I heartily agree that I AM disrespectful TO IDEAS, but not to people. I disrespect the idea that the Earth is flat, that evil spirits and demons cause disease, and a myriad of other unproven ideas.

It seems to me that "believers" can't separate the belief from the person, while I certainly do. As I said I uphold anyone's right to believe whatever they want, but I also have the right to argue against unfounded beliefs, especially when they are forced on me from the outside (which was not the case here). I don't think people with such beliefs are bad people, they just have beliefs I don't agree with, for rational and logical reasons.

There are examples of religious arrogance all over in the news, and in the world at large, and rarely does one see an atheist/agnostic/humanist try to push their ideas on others, but they DO stand up when others try to enforce their beliefs as public policy, or as the only acceptable beliefs (e.g. the various laws about marriage, and women's fundamental rights).

One other thing that I have noticed over the years is how little most religious people know about their own religion, not to mention other religions and philosophies--but that is a discussion for another time.

As my Latin teacher used to say: AMOR VINCIT OMNIA!!

for your interest:

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismatheiststheism/a/RespectReligion.htm

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This is an off-topic forum, and these are Allnurses members having what was a nice conversation about the meaning of one of the most sacred days of the Christian calendar---hardly the same as politicians "pushing their ideas" on an unwilling public.

It's not the fact that you don't hold the same beliefs as some of us. It's the way you burst into a discussion with the implication that people of faith are NOT "rational" and "reasonable". You further suggest that religion is "superstition", which plays into the stereotype of believers as uneducated, unwashed Neanderthals in denial of the 'truth"......at least as you see it.

I, for one, find that attitude insulting.

It's OK that you don't see things the same way some of us do, but it's also OK that we don't see things the same way as you do. Really. There's no need to try to "educate" us with a link to an atheist website, any more than there would be if one of us posted a link to Commonweal on any anti-religion thread you might decide to post. Just sayin'.:)

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I didn't "burst" into the discussion, as it was sent to me in a public RSS link. If the people who were involved in this public discussion didn't want comments from the rest of allnurses, they should have sent private emails to each other. It doesn't surprise me that you feel insulted or that you weren't interested in the link I posted, because much of religiosity involves not wanting to discuss it rationally or defend what it stands for with reason, and feeling insulted when religious privilege is challenged.

Also, quoting the original post, "Feel free to comment". I did.

BTW, religion IS superstition if it cannot be backed up with testable facts. And if you had posted links to an outside source, I would read them and evaluate them as I would any information I receive, and judge it on its merits (clarity, rationality).

Surprisingly, there is much of the world religions I agree with--the Golden Rule, for example, but I believe it because it is logical and rational, not because it was commanded by some unseen entity.

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It seems to me that "believers" can't seperate the belief from the person, while I certainly do.

Sometimes one's faith dwells within the person, and is much deeper and meaningful than what appears as illogical, and irrational...It's something much more personal than only believing what you can or cannot comprehend or see...Maybe that's why it's hard to seperate the person from the belief, because the belief is what makes the person complete as a whole...And while it's true that we "believers" may not hold all the answers to your questions, you may not hold every answer to your own beliefs...That's usually why it's called faith..Believing with all your heart without laying out and analyzing what you see as rational, logical, and reasonable....

I also think everyone here would defend their faith.....with ration and reason and logic....but you may interpret that as pushing our faith onto you...Just as if I were to attach a link to a Christian website....

As my grandma used to say, "They have ears, yet hear not.."

I wish you the best, and a happy, reasonable, rational, coherent and logical day:redbeathe:redbeathe:redbeathe Be well :)

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