Women in Combat

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    The U.S. military will formally end its ban on women serving in front-line combat roles, officials said on Wednesday, in a move that could open thousands of fighting jobs to female service members for the first time.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...90M1FI20130124

    Well, this will be an interesting national debate.
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  3. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    There was a report on this subject on NPR this morning...
    It should be an interesting debate.
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  5. Visit  PedsHopeful profile page
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    I dont understand why this was necessary.
  6. Visit  somenurse profile page
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    women are already IN combat,
    women are already dying in combat,
    women are coming home injured from combat.........


    but, because of the old rules, these women can't use that combat experience to get promotions, (since "women are not in combat")
    are passed over for the highest of all medals,
    or hindered in their ability to move to other branches which prefer to promote soldiers who HAVE combat experience, like some of the positions in the CIA for example.

    This is ALREADY going on...it's just now, women who are doing combat, can receive the same benefits and opportunities for advancement that combat experience affords those who DO want a career in the military.


    Me, i'd rather not see any human doing combat, but, for those who do want a military career, not being recognized as having done combat, can hinder their career advancement.
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  7. Visit  somenurse profile page
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    Quote from PedsHopeful
    I dont understand why this was necessary.

    Maybe this video will help you gain new insight, the way it helped me. The part i am talking about, doesn't start til about 3 minutes into the video:

    The Rachel Maddow Show: Lift on combat ban for US women opens door to recognition, opportunity on MSN Video
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  8. Visit  HM-8404 profile page
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    I have no problem with lifting the ban and allowing women to serve in combat roles such as infantry, artillery, etc. The only problem I would have is if women are given special considerations like they already get in the military. To serve in a combat arms MOS they need to meet the same physical standards as the males do. Reducing standards to allow weaker people to serve only weakens the ability of the unit.
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  9. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    I think the problem of rape needs to be addressed before putting women if officiel combat positions.
  10. Visit  somenurse profile page
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    Quote from HM-8404
    I have no problem with lifting the ban and allowing women to serve in combat roles such as infantry, artillery, etc. The only problem I would have is if women are given special considerations like they already get in the military. To serve in a combat arms MOS they need to meet the same physical standards as the males do. Reducing standards to allow weaker people to serve only weakens the ability of the unit.
    this is a valid point,
    as women do meet all the same physical requirements, except they only have to only do 50 pushups and men have to do 80 pushups, and women are given an add'l 120 seconds to complete the 2 mile runs.

    but, otherwise
    both genders have to do the 80 sit ups, climb the same featureless walls, run with the same giant huge duffel backpack on, long list of things one has to do in training, that is the same for either gender.

    but, i'm not as sure being able to hike and shoot the weapons requires the add'l upper body strength. I'm not as sure that THAT is req'd for today's warfare,
    but, i don't know if having larger shoulders is really req'd to shoot at people, or how much hand-to-hand type of fighting is done anymore...

    but, there are many small sized females whose units would deny that soldier is "weakening the unit" cuz her arms aren't as big. There are long lists of female heros, who have done amazing things in combat, even though they only had to do 50 pushups to pass training instead of 80.
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  11. Visit  somenurse profile page
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    but, herring_Rn is so so right.
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    Quote from Jean Marie46514
    this is a valid point,
    as women do meet all the same physical requirements, except they only have to only do 50 pushups and men have to do 80 pushups, and women are given an add'l 120 seconds to complete the 2 mile runs.

    but, otherwise
    both genders have to do the 80 sit ups, climb the same featureless walls, run with the same giant huge duffel backpack on, long list of things one has to do in training, that is the same for either gender.

    but, i'm not as sure being able to hike and shoot the weapons requires the add'l upper body strength. I'm not as sure that THAT is req'd for today's warfare,
    but, i don't know if having larger shoulders is really req'd to shoot at people, or how much hand-to-hand type of fighting is done anymore...

    but, there are many small sized females whose units would deny that soldier is "weakening the unit" cuz her arms aren't as big. There are long lists of female heros, who have done amazing things in combat, even though they only had to do 50 pushups to pass training instead of 80.
    Obviously you have no direct knowledge of military infantry training. The WM's (Women Marines) do fewer sit-ups, pull ups (they don't even do pull ups, they do a free hang), and get more time to run their three miles. Do you need to be strong with broad shoulders to fire a weapon? No, but it really helps when you are on a forced march of 15+ miles with a 70-80 pound pack not counting the weapon you are assigned. Even as a Navy Corpsman assigned to Marines you have to meet Marine physical standards which include running 50 meters, picking up a 180#+ Marine plus his weapon in a fireman's carry and running back with him in less than 2 mins. Not many 120# women with no upper body strength can do that. Marine combat arms units go to the field for 2 weeks at a time almost every month. The women that are out there with them in support roles are taken to the rear every two days for "hygiene" reasons. That causes a lot of heartburn for the males.

    As I said, if they don't change standards to accommodate women I am all for it.
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    Quote from herring_RN
    I think the problem of rape needs to be addressed before putting women if officiel combat positions.
    Definitely. Its a huge problem right now.
    tewdles, herring_RN, TopazLover, and 1 other like this.
  14. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from Jean Marie46514
    this is a valid point,
    as women do meet all the same physical requirements, except they only have to only do 50 pushups and men have to do 80 pushups, and women are given an add'l 120 seconds to complete the 2 mile runs.

    but, otherwise
    both genders have to do the 80 sit ups, climb the same featureless walls, run with the same giant huge duffel backpack on, long list of things one has to do in training, that is the same for either gender.

    but, i'm not as sure being able to hike and shoot the weapons requires the add'l upper body strength. I'm not as sure that THAT is req'd for today's warfare,
    but, i don't know if having larger shoulders is really req'd to shoot at people, or how much hand-to-hand type of fighting is done anymore...

    but, there are many small sized females whose units would deny that soldier is "weakening the unit" cuz her arms aren't as big. There are long lists of female heros, who have done amazing things in combat, even though they only had to do 50 pushups to pass training instead of 80.
    *** I have no problem with lifting the ban on women serving in combat arms MOS's. I feel the military has done a terrable job of educating the young women who enlist (as opposed to officers) as to what they can expect to face if captured. I think all US POWS can expect torture but that female captives can expect a different kind of torture that is difficult for me to wrap my head around. I have little worry for the college educated female officers who are, say age 23 when they makes the decision what MOS she wants, vs a young girl age 17-19 with only a high school education who may have very limited life experience. If these young women are making an INFORMED decision then I am OK with it.
    I did want to address the message quoted above. When I was in the army (1990-1995) women had very different standards. I was a medic assinged to airborne infantry so the majority of time I served in an all male unit. However when I had medic training it would involve serving with women. For example when I went through EFM (Expert Field Medic) one of the things we did was a 12 mile road march with a 3 hour time limit. We men were carrying a full combat load in addition to some body armour like helmets, our weapons and our medic bag. About 90# total in my case We did the road march wearing combat boots and full battle dress uniform. The women did the 12 miles wearing PT gear (shorts and T shirt) with a pistol belt and canteen only and they were wearing running shoes, not combat boots.
    Maybe things have changed but there were very different standards for females when I served.
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