Taking mentally ill off streets

  1. 3 http://cnnradio.cnn.com/2013/02/19/s...ts/?hpt=hp_bn1

    Read the article and tell me what you think. This notion scares me. I know some people are unstable, but I don't know how you can punish someone who isn't hurting themselves or others....
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  4. Visit  Liddle Noodnik profile page
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    Sweeping violent mentally ill off NYC streets – CNN Radio News - CNN.com Blogs

    Read the article and tell me what you think. This notion scares me. I know some people are unstable, but I don't know how you can punish someone who isn't hurting themselves or others....
    They only came up w/ 25?

    That is scary to me. To a point people have a right not to follow treatment. Of course when it does infringe on others that negates their rights. Can you just blanketly take them off the streets?

    Mind you I am not advocating not following treatment lol
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  5. Visit  mariebailey profile page
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    If someone has no history of being homicidal, & they do not acknowledge being homicidal, how can you force them to do anything? I can't even legally force my TB patients to swallow their meds, & they are undoubtedly a threat to those around them. Witch hunt...
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  6. Visit  VivaLasViejas profile page
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    Again, with the scapegoating of the mentally ill.....this stuff is really getting old. Why doesn't the political class think about getting creative for once and actually trying to solve problems, instead of branding people with a scarlet "MI" and calling it good?
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    I didn't understand how they can legally do that...I mean, people with mental illness still have rights--they can refuse treatment. Unless I missed it, they didn't threaten anyone or say they are suicidal...they are not doing anything to anyone. We are going backwards in this mental illness treatment.
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    They only came up w/ 25?

    That is scary to me. To a point people have a right not to follow treatment. Of course when it does infringe on others that negates their rights. Can you just blanketly take them off the streets?

    Mind you I am not advocating not following treatment lol
    I'm not sure if I was clear, on rereading my response. I'm saying that they can't just take someone off the street because they are mentally ill. There has to be a pattern, a history, a verbalization, SOMEthing that makes it apparent that they are dangerous, not just a diagnosis or non-compliance.
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  9. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    We need more access to mental health care. If people are miserable and homeless think they should be helped whether they have a mentsl illness or not.

    My cousin was very functional, but miserable until diagnosed and treated.
    She has had a good life , helped people and has many friends. She doesn't pretend to feel different than she does with people who love her any more.
    I wish she had been dioagnosed as a teen. She missed out on a lot by acting as she thought she should rather than doing what she wanted she pleased others.
    plenty of people with out a diagnosis do that too.
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    I have to be honest and frank--this is something that really is starting to scare and irritate me slightly...yes, there are some people who are mentally ill and are violent; however, a majority of mentally ill people are a threat to themselves rather than others and they also, are more likely to be victims of crimes than perpetrators. I think there is a huge misunderstanding in this country--people tend to use mental illness as a "cop out" after they commit a crime. They would not own up to that if they hadn't done anything. I don't think people should be allowed by law to be considered mentally ill if they didn't have a mental health history prior to the crime. I think what's scarier is the fact that we cannot admit that "sane" people commit atrocious crimes and can be dangerous.

    It does scare me that people with mental illness will lose their rights completely and there will be "witch hunts" for them. I have mentioned this before and will mention it again, during the Holocaust, Hitler rounded up the mentally ill as well and exterminated them...he killed far many more people than Lanza, Cho, etc. did. All life is precious, but this theory that mentally ill people need to be locked up or be gotten rid of--are those people who hold that theory any better than people with mental illness?
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  11. Visit  mariebailey profile page
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    Lanza & Cho are going to make the news before a functional person with a mental illness who is law-abiding & making a contribution to society. They, unfortunately, skew everyone's view of what people who live with mental illness are like. I remember sitting in my psych nursing rotation and hearing all the stereotypes and negative comments my fellow nursing students would make about the patients. I thought it odd that it never occurred to them that they may be sitting next to someone with a mental illness; I was extremely disgruntled! Only seeing people acutely ill on the psych unit gave them tunnel vision, I think. The same phenomenon occurs on a larger scale as well.
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    I think we are losing the concept of mental illness, as well. It began as something that was defined as behavioral patterns out of the norm, that have a noticeable/significant/negative impact on daily living and persisted over 6 months. That's still the technical definition, but the DSM is beginning to add very minor things, such as caffeine addiction (which yes, you can get addicted to it; however, how does that have an impact on every day life? Again, there are some cases that I am sure it does impact daily living, but....not many) and when anyone does anything that society disapproves of--the person is automatically deemed mentally ill, after all, what "sane" person would do such a thing? We are getting to the point as a society that there's an increase in the percentage of people with mental illness and fewer "sane" people. It's great that we want to get people with the minor mental health issues treated, but I just think we will get to a point where 80% or more of the population has some mental illness trait or whatever. Then, those people become the norm and the "sane" people are the outliers. The norm is usually what most of the population does or acts like--when most people have some form of mental illness, how is it an illness?

    I think we are truly losing the concept of what mental illness is and are arbitrarily throwing these terms out there and that only goes to worsen things for those who do suffer from true mental illness.
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    it never occurred to them that they may be sitting next to someone with a mental illness.
    It never occurred to me that I WAS one lol... but it wasn't very long, I grad. in 81 and in 85 had my first manic episode w/ psychosis! yeep!
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    I think we are truly losing the concept of what mental illness is and are arbitrarily throwing these terms out there and that only goes to worsen things for those who do suffer from true mental illness.
    wish_me_luck,
    Are you referring to my statement about people with mental illness who are law-abiding, functional, & making a contribution to society? Can you clarify?

    I am talking about people, like myself, who are currently managed properly on medications (thankfully) & fly under the radar (which hasn't always been the case). That doesn't negate the fact that there is a true diagnosis & plenty of suffering to go along with it.

    I am just confused by your statement.
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    No, that was a general statement. It was not to you, specifically. I just think that if a person went out into the community and asked 100 people-- what is mental illness? How do you know when someone has a mental illness?, then that person probably would get some answers that are not even close to what mental illness truly is and is defined as. Also, just because a person has a (meaning one) personality quirk, does not mean they are mentally ill--mental illness usually constitutes having multiple (like 5 or more traits/behaviors) abnormal/maladaptive traits simultaneously.

    What I meant is, the concept of mental illness and what it truly is (and is not) is getting very cloudy...we use the term mental illness very liberally, when there is actually very clear (or there was prior to the sorry excuse for a DSM that is coming out) criteria for mental illness and it's not a term to just throw around.
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