Shooting at Wisconsin Sikh house of worship - page 2

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So sad. :( This is so senseless.... Read More


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    Truth was spoken here...hate is hate and needs to be called that. When religious groups "preach" on intolerance there will be those who interpret that in hate...in any religion...we see the aftermath of that globally and the USA is certainly not immune to the ignorant behavior that such teaching and preaching may promote.
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    It is alarming that we have now witnessed two of these mass-shooting events in such a short time in 2012. This does not bode well for the future of our nation, and signals a downward descent into increasing crazed violence, polarization, hatred, anger, envy, and anarchy. It almost seems like our entire nation is a smoldering powder keg. Just one little match is all that is needed to light the fuse. Our thin veneer of civilization is quickly being eroded away.
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    seventy years ago, over 120,000 japanese americans, including my family, were rousted from our homes and sent to internment camps because we happen to “look” like the people who bombed pearl harbor. today, sikhs are targeted because their headdress happens to resemble turbans commonly associated with arabs. these impulses are not disconnected; they are part of a tragic continuum in which whole groups people are viewed as the “enemy” because of how they look or act.

    there are no easy answers here, and my heart aches for the families and victims and the senselessness of the killings. what i do know is this: each of us bears a responsibility to reject hate, whatever its form, whatever its justification. a soul filled with hate can devastate a community. a nation filled with hate can devastate a people. it must start and end with each of us.
    reject hate. - allegiance

    i love george takei.
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    Quote from Elvish
    Reject Hate. - Allegiance

    I love George Takei.
    i do, too.
    stamp out hate...we must all be proactive and united in doing so.

    leslie
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    It's just another example of a racist, gun happy, depressed dude who went mental! Oh, he also look 'normal' (like someone you'd see walking by the water fountain, in a mall somewhere).
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    We need to recognize that not everything with a Christian label is really Christian. White Supremacists are an example of this. Cathy's funding of hate groups is another. Westboro Baptist Church looks that this as vengence by God for them not being able to picket veterans funerals anymore.
    Is there no true Scotsman? The killer was apparently part of the Christian Identity movement, with a large cross tattooed on his right arm. John 3:16 contains the criterion for being Christian.

    A lot of religious people think that their own religion is an anodyne for man's violent nature, but in reality it has little effect. Sometimes it makes things worse, when someone with a gun and a malfunctioning prefrontal cortex decides he's going to do God's work.

    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Hate is hate. It is without purpose or definition. One cannot find reason for these things. We cannot be silent about this topic. It is too dangerous.
    It may not be easy, but one can usually find reasons for these things. Those reasons may be bizarre and irrational, but such is the human condition.

    I wonder how much radical talk show hosts (especially on radio) feed the psyche of people like the many who've committed acts of violence against particular groups in the past couple of decades. Do you remember the outrageous vilification of Muslims after (and also before) 9/11?

    And now we have congresspeople accusing a top aid of Secretary of State Hilary Clinton of being a Muslim Brotherhood booster, with not a shred of evidence. Michele Bachmann? How about Sarah Palin's ads with a guns sight crosshair targeting particular congressional districts, like Gabrielle Gifford's?

    Are there more mass murders now than there were a few decades ago? I don't know. Has the discourse among political leaders sunk into the sewer? Decidedly so. Have we gotten meaner as a nation, or stupider?
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    Quote from VickyRN
    It is alarming that we have now witnessed two of these mass-shooting events in such a short time in 2012. This does not bode well for the future of our nation, and signals a downward descent into increasing crazed violence, polarization, hatred, anger, envy, and anarchy. It almost seems like our entire nation is a smoldering powder keg. Just one little match is all that is needed to light the fuse. Our thin veneer of civilization is quickly being eroded away.
    You should see how violent the United States was a hundred years ago, 150 years ago, 200 years ago. It wasn't that long ago that a lot of people were swinging by their neck from trees in the Deep South, upper Midwest, and elsewhere. At least now the perpetrators are being captured and convicted.

    In fact, overall, violent crime has been on a downward trend for some twenty years. The mass killing get a lot of attention and make people think we're now consumed by violence, when in reality, a lot of people are murdered each day across the country. That large number, though, has been decreasing.
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    But still, there have been an awfully large number of mass killings in the U.S. in the past several years. (LA Times article)
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    Another shooting but this was one thwarted by a smart security guard. No one was killed. Good news for once.

    Shooting erupts at Family Research Council




    "The Washington Post said Police Chief Cathy Lanier credited the guard for his work.
    “The security guard here is a hero, as far as I’m concerned,” Lanier said. “He did his job. The person never made it past the front.”
    The report also said FBI spokesman James McJunkin said the reason for the attack remained unclear.

    “We don’t know enough about him or his circumstances to determine what his connection is to this group or his mental state, or what he was doing or thinking of doing,” McJunkin said. “So we’re going to try to sort this all out, pull the evidence together, do all the interviews we can.”
    I also like that until the evidence is sorted out, no one is laying blame. Maybe we are learning something about jumping to conclusions. I hope so.

    Regarding our local Sikh community, they invited all their neighbors throughout the county to come and enjoy a meal and prayers for forgiveness last weekend. I missed the event but heard about it from attendees and it warms my heart to know folks who have such a capacity for forgiveness.
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    [QUOTE=Spidey's mom;6825151]Another shooting but this was one thwarted by a smart security guard. No one was killed. Good news for once.

    Shooting erupts at Family Research Council

    I also like that until the evidence is sorted out, no one is laying blame. Maybe we are learning something about jumping to conclusions. I hope so.
    End of Quote



    I wish that were true but I checked 2 news sources. Both stated one "news" , and they both named which news organization it was, was speculating it was disagreement with the FRC policy positions. All news media was asked not to speculate.

    That may be found to have the case, but the inflammatory nature of the reporting does nothing except heat up the fringe elements who need no help. Sad when even given explicit directions not to speculate it is reported as if it were fact. here is another example of jumping to conclusions by "fair and balanced". I will not give them a pass for this. They were trying to lay blame.
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