Over 500 dead in riots in Egypt

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    http://http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/16/world/middleeast/egypt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    Supporters of the outsed Muslim Brotherhood government have taken to the streets and have come under attack from the military-backed interim government. The death toll is already up to 525, with thousands injured.

    I have mixed feelings about this. The Muslim Brotherhood was democratically elected by the people of Egypt. The current government violated the democratic process when they staged a coup to overthrow them. This is all undeniable.

    But I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to see the Muslim Brotherhood fail. The middle east needs another fundamentalist regime like it needs a hole in it's head. I'm disappointed that the Egyptian people would elect such a government in the first place. But democracy is what it is.
    Last edit by BrandonLPN on Aug 15, '13
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    Hmm, seems my link doesn't work....

    Just google "Egypt" and tons of stories will pop up.
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    You have http:// twice, that's why.
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    This is complicated and dangerous.
    i hope the Camp David accord continues to keep Egyps and Israel from war with each other.

    The Suez canal continues to be important.

    People voted for a religious fundamentalist party candidate. I don't like the military ousting an elected leader.

    All i know to do is pray. Pray for our leaders and for peace on Earth.
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    It is delicate. As a nation we have no right to interfere with the politics of other nations but it would be naive to think it does not happen. The canal is one aspect to consider and there are many others.

    It is a balancing act and no one is really able to set up a system that works for all. It seems the popular one there is not popular with us. That may be for good reason but it is not our country to cram our opinions.

    I agree that we need to pray for peace.
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    I feel the same way you do Brandon. I was very disappointed after the dramatic revolution that the muslim brotherhood were elected, though according to some sources the muslim brotherhood were the ones who incited the revolution.

    That's the trouble with revolution............you think something good might replace the old regime. I expect the average Russian peasant might have hoped something better would replace the Czar.
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    That the people of Egypt elected the Muslim Brotherhood into power is all the more disappointing in light of the fact that Egypt has always been considered one of the more modern and liberal of the Arab nations.

    I had hopes that the whole "Arab Spring" movement a couple years ago would lead to a more secular status quo for the region. Not the case.

    Obama is in an unenviable position. If his administration backs the protestors, then the republicans will accuse him of supporting Muslim extremeists. If they back the interim government, the republicans will accuse him of supporting a brutal military regime. It's no-win.

    And the Egyptian people don't want us involved one way or the other. Who can blame them?

    If you look at our history in the region, it's little wonder the USA has zero credibility with the Arab people. We support which ever regime suits us at the moment. Suadi Arabia is an ally of convenience (OIL). They're a main ally, despite being a oppresive monarchy that treats women as property. Not too long ago we were allies with Sadam Hussein in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan. And those regimes were just as "bad" in the eighties. Did they suddenly become "badder" when we declared war on them?

    I'm not naive. I understand we have interests to protect. And that "The enenmy of your enemy is your friend". I just wish we'd be more honest about it. Stop pretending we're the great liberators when who we support in the region has nothing to do with who's "good" and who's "bad".
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    Egypt: Islamists hit Christian churches

    After torching a Franciscan school, Islamists paraded three nuns on the streets like "prisoners of war" before a Muslim woman offered them refuge. Two other women working at the school were sexually harassed and abused as they fought their way through a mob.
    It is a big sad mess.

    My understanding is America has already given most of the financial aid to Egypt (it is in the billions I think) . . . so, we can't take that back. But we might want to think about not giving it in the future. Just think about how that money would help US Taxpayers.

    (In a big hurry to get to church so no time to look for further links).
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    Egyptian Muslims Forget Muhammad's Letter to Christian Monks at Mt. Sinai | Craig Considine
    The violence against Egypt's Christians reminds me of the important symbolism of Muhammad's letter to Christian monks at St. Catherine's, Mount Sinai (Egypt) in 628 AD.
    In his letter, Muhammad championed universal peace and harmony between Christians and Muslims. Not only did he outline how Christians are to be treated by Muslims, but Muhammad also touched upon human rights, including freedom of conscious, freedom of worship, and the right to protection in war.
    Here is an English translation of Muhammad's letter:

    I am not well versed in religion, but the comments indicate this letter is not well known.
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    I think the problem is that Americans think everyone should live and abide by the same rules and laws that are followed here in America. But that doesn't work, because it goes against Islamic teaching. Muslim Brotherhood won the election because people were tired of dictators oppressing them to pad their pockets, but new a capitalist government would only lead to the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer. We have to understand that for Muslims, Islam is a way of life, not just a guide for decisions or something that just guides their morals. Democracy is government by the people for the people, and in Islam only God (Allah) is the One to legislate laws. The people who voted for Muslim Brotherhood wanted to be ruled by God's laws, not man-made laws. Unfortunately though, Morsi did not follow through and basically screwed up. How many times has Obama screwed up? How many Obama haters are there in the US? Is there a military coup going on here because of that? We (America) need to learn when to intervene and when to mind our own business. And in my opinion, "securing American interests in the region" is not a good enough excuse for thousands of people to die.
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