More Than 10,000 Protest Move By Wisconsin's Governor to Destroy Public-Sector Unions
1Feb 15, '11 by herring_RN Guidethe state capitol was awash tuesday in protests as thousands gathered to voice opposition to a bill by gov. scott walker that would greatly weaken organized labor in wisconsin.
more than 10,000 protesters crowded the southwest side of the capitol building, many of them carrying signs and chanting "recall walker." meanwhile, inside, thousands crowded the rotunda and watched tvs set up to broadcast the public hearing scheduled to discuss the governor's proposal.
unveiled friday, walker's plan would remove collective bargaining rights for most of the 175,000 state and local employees, allowing workers to negotiate only over salary. walker, however, exempted most law enforcement, firefighters and wisconsin state patrol troopers from the change....
... on tuesday, members of the fire fighters union received a loud ovation from the crowd outside the capitol as they marched through holding signs that showed their solidarity with their fellow state and local employees....
8Feb 15, '11 by JolieWalker's only mistake was exempting police and firefighters from his proposal.
There is absolutely no legitimate legal or moral reason for teachers or any other public sector employees to be paid lifelong benefits that far outpace anything the average citizen can command on the job, or realistically afford on his own. This is supposed to be a democracy, not a system of royal rule where the common masses sacrifice to support the chosen few. Entitlements paid to public sector employees are bankrupting cities and states, and it's got to stop.
Good start, but Walker didn't go far enough.
1Feb 16, '11 by herring_RN Guidepeople fighting walker's plan remain at capitol
thousands of labor supporters protest
updated: 8:18 am cst february 16, 2011
testimony has continued, even though the republican co-chairs of the joint finance committee technically wrapped up the hearing at 3 a.m.
however, people that hadn't gotten the chance to speak didn't leave the building, pulling out sleeping bags in the rotunda and settling in. so, democratic lawmakers decided to stay at the capitol and listen until all people that wanted to testify had the chance to do so, allowing testimony to stretch more than 20 hours....
rock county residents speak up about walker's decision - http://www.channel3000.com/news/26880677/detail.html
rallies, vigils planned in response to gov. walker's proposals: state sen. erpenbach to hold listening session sunday - http://www.channel3000.com/politics/...38/detail.html
eyewitness report: gop gov. walker's union busting scheme awakens 'sleeping giant' in wisconsin; 15,000 protest at state capital - http://american-idle.newsvine.com/_n...-state-capital
0Feb 17, '11 by herring_RN Guidethousands protest anti-union bill in wisconsin
...some lawmakers are calling for amendments to the bill, but republicans, who control the legislature, are trying to get the bill passed unchanged by the end of the week....
0Feb 17, '11 by herring_RN GuideLabor packs Ohio Statehouse, protests union limits
Feb 16, 2011
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP)-Hundreds of union protesters again packed the Statehouse in protest on Tuesday as government officials from around the state lined up in support of a bill that would wipe out Ohio's nearly 30-year-old collective bargaining law and make other union changes.
A crowd of firefighters, police officers and other public employees overflowed the hearing room, packing cat walks and filling the Statehouse Atrium and Rotunda to standing-room-only capacity for much of the afternoon. It was the second week that hearings on the bill drew such crowds.
The Senate bill, sponsored by Republican state Sen. Shannon Jones, would eliminate collective bargaining rights and salary schedules for public employees across the state. GOP Gov. John Kasich has expressed his support for the bill in concept, but he has also signaled he may bring forth his own plan that could go even further-including banning public employee strikes....
...At a union-sponsored press conference on the bill earlier Tuesday, Republican city worker Leo Geiger accused Kasich and other Republicans of attacking collective bargaining for political purposes.
"It does nothing to help the budget woes because it's political payback for those who did not support them in the election," he said....
Labor packs Ohio Statehouse, protests union limits - Bloomberg
1Quote from herring_RNNot specifically, but the unions' agreements as to pensions is clearly a factor in how badly some states financial situation are. Illinois and California come to mind. I don't have specifics, but anytime a taxpayer-funded agreement includes retiring at 50 or 55 and the retiree's pension is as much as or even more than they made while actually working, it can and does create a negative cash flow problem for the state.Did the police and firefighters create the financial crisis?
0Feb 17, '11 by TweetyQuote from tntrnThings definiately need to be looked at. Obviously when states paying the salaries and pension it's a negatitve cash flow, I don't see how one could expect a positive cash flow.Not specifically, but the unions' agreements as to pensions is clearly a factor in how badly some states financial situation are. Illinois and California come to mind. I don't have specifics, but anytime a taxpayer-funded agreement includes retiring at 50 or 55 and the retiree's pension is as much as or even more than they made while actually working, it can and does create a negative cash flow problem for the state.
At lot of teachers start teaching at age 21 and by the time they hit their 50's they are ready to retire from burnout and because they have that option. A lot of teachers retire to FL and it's rare that one works into his/her late 60's. Perhaps there should be an age requirement, rather than a time requirement.
I know you're saying you don't have specifics but how can it be that their retirement incomes are higher than their income, unless it's because after 30 years of it equals more than what they make. I can see that happening, but I'm not sure how that works.
We have the same issue in FL where the governor is proposing they pay for their own pensions plans, about 5% of their income. The sad thing is they haven't gotten a raise in years. Private pensions paid for by employers or the state have gone by the wayside years ago. I think it's time for public workers to make the same sacrifice as the rest of us. My employer-paid pension plan ended 15 years ago.
Still, scapgoating entitlemenets to public sector employees as the reason states are bankrupt isn't fair. That's kind of like sayingn the reason healthcare is such a mess is because of "entitlements" paid to nurses. However, since it's public money it needs to be spent wisely, and these things need to be cut, along with everything else.Last edit by Tweety on Feb 17, '11
1Tweety, I should have said that it is a part of the cash flow problems for states.
Just in: the Democratic Senators from Wisconsin are MIA for the vote they are to take today. Police are out looking for them. Without even one of them in attendance there can be no vote.
Then there's the sign: I'd rather be teaching. I wonder if that is one of the thousands of teachers who called in sick today, or if it's a teacher who can't find a job. Fire all those who calleld in sick today and hire those who want to actually teach.
1Quote from TweetyIf that's the argument they are using, then we could all use it. I mean, there are plenty of nurses who started nursing in their early 20's and are not working well past their 60's. So I don't see that as a valid argument.At lot of teachers start teaching at age 21 and by the time they hit their 50's they are ready to retire from burnout and because they have that option. A lot of teachers retire to FL and it's rare that one works into his/her late 60's. Perhaps there should be an age requirement, rather than a time requirement.
If you're burnt out, okay, but find another job. And the union language is partly at fault for this.
Some of the kids who are also out on the streets of Madison WI, apparently don't even know why they are there, other than their teachers told them to be there and schools are closed. One of them didn't know the Governor's name. These kids really need another day out of the classroom.....not.
I wonder how the parents feel about this. If my kid was a) not able to go to school because the teachers just decided to not work that day and b) then were told by the teachers to go "protest" AND I wasn't informed about, I'd be asking for some serious explanations by the teachers.
I guess the School Superintendent is saying that teachers who called in sick will be required to provide a doctor's verification of that. Gonna be hard for those who are out there carrying signs and appearing on TV news casts.
Not that I don't appreciate teachers....I do....my mom and one of my sisters were teachers. But this is the wrong fight to fight. If they believe in teaching so much, then get back into the classroom.