Is Gay Marriage a Core Plank for Republicans?

  1. 4 "In an email to conservative leaders obtained by Business Insider, conservative Christian radio magnate Rich Bott called the Ohio Senator's gay marriage shift a "betrayal," and suggested that it was further proof that the GOP has abandoned its conservative principles."

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/portm...#ixzz2TPdDFGjj

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/20...n_gay_marriage

    I wonder.

    It seems that there is little room for individual Republicans who serve in some leadership capacity, to consider the concept that removing a government judgement about whom we have the right to marry IS the most conservative stance.

    Is this something that the Republican Party will be willing to change at some point?
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  4. Visit  Garethaus} profile page
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    Gay marriage is one of those fake issues used to distract voter debate over more pressing concerns....like the crashing economy.

    Make it legal and get over it like New Zealand did.

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    Quote from tewdles
    "In an email to conservative leaders obtained by Business Insider, conservative Christian radio magnate Rich Bott called the Ohio Senator's gay marriage shift a "betrayal," and suggested that it was further proof that the GOP has abandoned its conservative principles."

    Read more: Evangelical Leaders: The GOP's Gay Marriage Shift Is A 'Betrayal' - Business Insider

    What Do Republican Consultants Secretly Desire on Gay Marriage? - The Rush Limbaugh Show

    I wonder.

    It seems that there is little room for individual Republicans who serve in some leadership capacity, to consider the concept that removing a government judgement about whom we have the right to marry IS the most conservative stance.

    Is this something that the Republican Party will be willing to change at some point?
    I would hope so, for keeping government out of the decision by two consenting adults to marry is indeed THE most conservative stance.
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  6. Visit  tewdles} profile page
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    I hope so too...but it seems it will be a difficult battle within the party itself.
    Currently, they are penalizing members who choose that conservative interpretation of the issue.
    It is not clear to me how the party will go about removing that piece of the platform.
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    Quote from VivaLasViejas
    I would hope so, for keeping government out of the decision by two consenting adults to marry is indeed THE most conservative stance.
    *** YES! This ! How is that not obvious to everybody?
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  8. Visit  aknottedyarn} profile page
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    *** YES! This ! How is that not obvious to everybody?
    That seems to be a common ailment among politicians. The GOP has spent much time since the election shooting self in foot. This seems to be another way.

    I wonder if we could see a splinter party develop or if the ones who are unhappy will join Pablo Pantoja. His quote is applicable not only for Hispanic and GLBT but also for any other differences.

    "It doesn't take much to see the culture of intolerance surrounding the Republican Party today."
    Pablo Pantoja
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  9. Visit  herring_RN} profile page
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    RNC Director Of Hispanic Outreach For Florida, Pablo Pantoja, Resigns, Becomes A Democrat

    The Republican National Committee's State Director of Florida Hispanic Outreach, Pablo Pantoja, announced his resignation on Monday while also declaring he is now registered as a Democrat.

    Pantoja was to serve as the RNC's Director of Hispanic Outreach for Florida, notes Think Progress. Florida is a state that has a huge Hispanic population and popular Hispanic U.S Sen. Marco Rubio, a rising star in the Republican Party whose name is mentioned as a potential presidential candidate. ...

    ... Pantoja explained his reasons to resign as the RNC's director of Florida Hispanic Outreach as stemming from the Republican Party's intolerance.
    In Pantoja's email, published by the Florida Nation, he says, "It doesn't take much to see the culture of intolerance surrounding the Republican Party today. I have wondered before about the seemingly harsh undertones about immigrants and others. ...

    http://www.ibtimes.com/rnc-director-...mocrat-1258305
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/us...care.html?_r=0

    But despite the criticism, there are some very tangible political benefits for Republicans’ voting against the president. Repealing the health care law is an issue that unites their party, which has split over several major bills already this year.

    Liberals mock Republicans for what they dismiss as a waste of time. It represents a fitting ordering of priorities, they say, for a body whose few accomplishments this year include passing a bill that kept the Federal Helium Reserve open, heading off a critical shortage of the gas, and another that modifies the requirements for gold and silver coins commemorating the National Baseball Hall of Fame.
    Indeed, the Republican House leadership is sensitive to the perception that they are squandering even more time on a repeal vote that is going nowhere.

    So in answer to the question of gay marriage being a core, I don't know. Doing nothing seems to be the MO of the GOP currently.
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  11. Visit  blackvans1234} profile page
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    I find this a very interesting topic.

    I find politics a joke though. However I love considering rationales, playing devils advocate etc.
    Bascially I like to make everyone mad

    I am 22 and not married. Never have been married.
    The idea of marriage (from what I've always thought), was a religious type of event that joined two people of the opposite sex.
    Considering it is religious in nature, and we all know religions do not approve of homosexuality, one could assume marriage should not be allowed for a homosexual couple.

    On the other side of things, when comparing today's trends to other religious values, an exception could probably be made.
    Let me clarify: I think the bible says somewhere that under no circumstances shall married couple be divorced, even if the husband is hitting the wife, etc. However in society today, I believe the statistic is around 50% of marriages end in divorce. That is pretty significant.
    Clearly the current trend of divorce shows that heterosexual couples do not have much regard for the traditional method and belief of marriage. Knowing this, could the traditional belief of heterosexual couples be thrown out too?
    Just a thought based on my perception of what marriage is.
  12. Visit  babyNP.} profile page
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    I'm all for gay marriage. My DH's idealistic world would be this: the government does not grant marriages. They grant civil unions. Marriage can belong to the religious culture. Sounds great, right? Except that means that you have to tell all the heterosexual couples that are not religious that they can't get married. They can only enter into a civil union.

    It's hilarious (but sad) how so many Republicans keep shooting themselves in the foot over this, immigration, etc etc over and over again, and seeing this on election day. The party needs to wake up.
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    I think there needs to be 4 parties in the US:

    Conservative socially and economically
    Conservative socially, liberal economically
    Liberal socially, conservative economically
    Liberal socially and economically


    I think lots of people don't vote because they don't quite believe in what the party's total core values are. I am pretty conservative economically, but I definitely lean left for social issues. Certainly not FAR left, but more left of center. I just don't vote because no party fits what I believe.
  14. Visit  tewdles} profile page
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    So, I wonder how does the Republican party fix this?
    It seems that they will have to discover a way to include this conservative stance (allowing gay marriage) in order to remain relevant in today's society.

    Will the leadership step forward and require a re-examination...so far that seems to have cost people jobs.

    Given that we essentially have a 2 party political system here, it is in our best interests that the Republican Party figure this out!
  15. Visit  Rockrose} profile page
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    uRNmyway, I couldn't agree more. I fall in the socially liberal, economically conservative area and I am left feeling that I have no real political base I agree with anymore. I wish republicans would stop shooting themselves in the feet with issues that are losing battles and tackle real issues (such as the economy).

    I have found that most republicans I know around my age (20's and 30's) really don't care about the gay marriage issue. They are fine with it being legalized. Unfortunately the people who represent the party as a whole are all older and stuck in their often dying ideals and don't care to make concessions to win over new, younger voters.
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