Don't fly during Ramadan

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    A couple of weeks ago, I was scheduled to take a trip from New York (JFK) to Los Angeles on JetBlue. Every year, my family goes on a one-week pilgrimage, where we put our work on hold and spend time visiting temples, praying, and spending time with family and friends. To my Jewish friends, I often explain this trip as vaguely similar to theSabbath, except we take one week of rest per year, rather than one day per week.

    Our family is not Muslim, but by coincidence, this year, our trip happened to be during the last week of Ramadan.


    By further coincidence, this was also the same week that I was moving out of my employer-provided temporary housing (at NYU) and moving into my new apartment. The night before my trip, I enlisted the help of two friends and we took most of my belongings, in a couple of suitcases, to my new apartment. The apartment was almost completely unfurnished - I planned on getting new furniture upon my return - so I dropped my few bags (one containing an air mattress) in the corner. Even though I hadn't decorated the apartment yet, in accordance with Hindu custom, I taped a single photograph to the wall in my bedroom-a long-haired saint with his hands outstretched inpronam (a sign of reverence and respect).


    The next morning, I packed the rest of my clothes into a suitcase and took a cab to the airport. I didn't bother to eat breakfast, figuring I would grab some yogurt in the terminal while waiting to board.


    I got in line for security at the airport and handed the agent my ID. Another agent came over and handed me a paper slip, which he said was being used to track the length of the security lines. He said, "just hand this to someone when your stuff goes through the x-ray machines, and we'll know how long you were in line.' I looked at the timestamp on the paper: 10:40.
    http://varnull.adityamukerjee.net/po...during-ramadan
    Ridiculous.....apparently the 4th amendment got flushed down the john many years ago.
    Last edit by Elvish on Aug 23, '13 : Reason: added link
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    About Elvish, BSN, RN

    Elvish has 'a few' year(s) of experience and specializes in 'Community, OB, Nursery'. From 'Where the bluebirds sing...'; 36 Years Old; Joined Nov '06; Posts: 19,536; Likes: 19,843.

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  4. Visit  Rose_Queen profile page
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    And flushing the 4th amendment was helped by all those who were willing to give up their freedom for an illusion of security. I say illusion because the underwear bomber and the shoe bomber were not stopped by security- they were stopped by other passengers. Rights were given up for a bloated waste of tax dollars that doesn't even do what it was created to do.
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  5. Visit  azhiker96 profile page
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    I sorry, I don't understand. Is there more to the story? All I see is a person who is Hindu is handed a slip of paper with the time stamp 10:40 and instructions to hand it to security at the x-ray machine. What am I supposed to read into this? Can someone explain the hidden meaning to me?


    Ah, nevermind. I did a search for the title of this thread and found articles that included a little more detail. A link in the first post would have been helpful. The man was searched multiple times by TSA, cleared, and then not allowed to fly by Jet Blue.
    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...ue_refuses.php

    http://varnull.adityamukerjee.net/po...during-ramadan
    Last edit by azhiker96 on Aug 23, '13
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  6. Visit  Elvish profile page
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    Agh....sorry, az. I meant to post a link and must have had a brain fart. I fixed it.
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  7. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    Aditya Mukerjee writes well. What an experience!

  8. Visit  azhiker96 profile page
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    It sounds like the Keystone Kops. How scary that so many in law enforcement don't know the difference between Hindu and Moslem. It really sounds like they decided up front that he wasn't going to fly on that plane and then they were fishing for a reason. I bet that since they couldn't find a reason they spoke with Jet Blue to set up the final denial. This kind of nonsense does not make me feel safer.
  9. Visit  Ginger's Mom profile page
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    In England, coming back to the US, my husband and I have had extensive searches and tried not to have an attitude. I have been patted down have had my baggage explored and personal questions asked. It is the price of traveling.

    The poster was able to get other plane after going through the wave detector, seems like if he did this on Jet Blue it would not have been an issue.

    If he has issues of going through the wave detector, he can apply for Global entry which allows you to bypass the wave detector.
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    Quote from Ginger's Mom
    In England, coming back to the US, my husband and I have had extensive searches and tried not to have an attitude. I have been patted down have had my baggage explored and personal questions asked. It is the price of traveling.

    The poster was able to get other plane after going through the wave detector, seems like if he did this on Jet Blue it would not have been an issue.

    If he has issues of going through the wave detector, he can apply for Global entry which allows you to bypass the wave detector.
    I've had skin cancer. My dermatologis told me not to go through the scanner until research determines it is safe. I get the pat down, as this man had previosly done many times.

    I don't fly often. How difficult is it to get "Global entry"?
  11. Visit  tntrn profile page
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    I have a Global Entry interview in about a week. The application process done online is easy. Then you get a pending approval.....$100 application fee.
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    Quote from tntrn
    I have a Global Entry interview in about a week. The application process done online is easy. Then you get a pending approval.....$100 application fee.
    Thank you.
    As an ol woman whose passport states I was born in the USA I'll choose not to pay the $100.00 for trips to see family or Merle Haggard.

    If I were a young man who flew often i would probably choose to try the Global Entry.
    I assume after getting it you still go through the X ray and regular security.
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    Quote from herring_RN
    Thank you.
    As an ol woman whose passport states I was born in the USA I'll choose not to pay the $100.00 for trips to see family or Merle Haggard.

    If I were a young man who flew often i would probably choose to try the Global Entry.
    I assume after getting it you still go through the X ray and regular security.
    Not really. You have an extradited line for checking your identifications, you don't have to undress or get redressed in front of the entire population at the airport, your bag of liquids can stay in your bag. We travel often and spending 45 minutes in a line that can and has and should move much more quickly is a pain.

    ON my last trip, the fellow in the blue blazer and red vest (not a TSA agent) at the beginning of the Disneyland like lines, told me I had too many bags and couldn't proceed beyond that point. I asked him when that started because usually that is done at the gate and I usually carry my purse until I board and put it into one of my bags. He said he could get fired if he let me go further. So I dropped my bags right then and there, holding up the line and repositioned my stuff. The lady behind me lost her driver's license going through the same BS. Once I got to the actual TSA area, I asked a uniformed officer about that policy and when it had been instituted. She was not even sure what I was talking about...so I explained......her response? "it kind of depends on who is out there." In other words, there is no policy, the guy had a power trip kind of day going on. Next time I will ask to see the written policy and maybe the supervisor. That was BS, as is a lot of what they want you to believe is saving you from an air disaster.
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    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    -Benjamin Franklin
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