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Officials have identified that second victim of a fatal shooting at Rough Creek Lodge and Resort in Erath County, which killed former Navy SEAL sniper Chris Kyle.
Chad Littlefield, 35, of Midlothian was identified as the other victim on early Sunday morning. Kyle, 38, and Littlefield were at the gun range on Saturday afternoon for charity event on behalf of Kyle’s Dallas-based security firm Craft International, when they were shot and killed.
Kyle, who wrote the best-selling book American Sniper, held the record for the number of kills by an American sniper. The Pentagon has confirmed more than 150 of his kills. The previous record was 109. For his service, Kyle was awarded two Silver Stars and five Bronze Stars with Valor. His autobiography, American Sniper, was released last year.
Lancaster police said late Saturday they had arrested Eddie Ray Routh, 25, as a suspect in the double slaying. Routh has been arraigned on two counts of capital murder, according to Texas Department of Public Safety. ...
... Investigators said that Routh, a former Marine who sources said is believed to suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome, shot Kyle and the second victim at point-blank range. ...
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- Feb 3 by tewdlesoh so sad...these poor vets and their inadequately treated PTSD
- Feb 3 by azhiker96Even more sad that Chris Kyle had invite his killer to the gun range. From another article I read Mr. Kyle had been working with vets to try to help them adjust back to civilian life....a mentor to other veterans, sometimes taking them shooting at a gun range near his Texas home as a kind of therapy to salve battlefield scars, friends said. One such veteran was Eddie Ray Routh, a 25-year-old Marine who had served tours in Iraq and Haiti.
- Feb 4 by aknottedyarnMaybe I am nuts but I don't think I would take someone who is actively suffering PTSD from war to go shooting. Seems to me that the sounds and smells would invite flashbacks. The sights might be on a paper target but the mind is easily back on the battle field. IMHO
Was Chris Kyle any kind of trained therapist?
- Feb 4 by CrufflerJJQuote from aknottedyarnNo, I don't think so. Just a kid from TX who rode rodeo critters, overcame incredible odds in not only surviving BUD/S and following training, but in deploying to hot sandy places, getting injured, overcoming those injuries to join Seal Team 6. His book details some of the personal demons he had to deal with, including substance abuse....Was Chris Kyle any kind of trained therapist?
He was not any sort of trained therapist, but just a student of the human animal, what makes them tick, and how to break them.
Following separation from the Navy, (Mr. Kyle stated):
“I kind of went down a black hole,” he said. “Being a SEAL wasn’t just what I did, it was my identity, that’s what defined me.
Kyle said he began drinking heavily. Then one day, he bought some gym equipment and started getting back into shape. He said it “turned his head around,” and he found he no longer needed the alcohol.
Wanting to share his success with other veterans, he approached fitness center outfitting business FITCO, which is headquartered in Carrollton, about possibly purchasing used equipment at a discount. Instead, they contacted him the next day with the idea for FITCO Cares."
(ref: Viewing Story - Neighborsgo - The Dallas Morning News )
Perhaps Mr. Kyle felt that the years of dealing with his personal struggles (with the support of his wife and fellow Team members) gave him sufficient insight into how to deal with broken humans suffering from PTSD.
Even if he was wrong, he was a heck of an American, and I'm sorry to see his life end like this. He had a lot more to give.
- Feb 4 by aknottedyarnI agree fully. It is such a tragedy all the way around. I am sure he was doing what worked for him. There is a line between walking with someone who has similar experiences and using your own success as a measure of what will work and when to offer.
"The mark of a good therapist is timing." Nelson Polite. The best therapist I ever saw in action.
- Feb 4 by CrufflerJJI only hope that the "shooter" has his PTSD background taken into full consideration when it comes time for him to stand trial. Otherwise, he'll be just one more person on the Texas "fast track to the execution chamber".
- Feb 4 by 22gawhitacreAt this point according to the article the PTSD is alleged not official. We can't jump to conclusions and say he did this because of PTSD until all facts are in.
- Feb 5 by azhiker96Even if the shooter has PTSD, a headache, and bunions I don't think he needs to be set free anytime soon. Of course, at this point he's just the alleged shooter. My first statement hinges on adequate evidence and a fair trial.
- Feb 5 by aknottedyarnI look at this a bit differently. A good hearted individual tries to help a fellow comrade using the tool he knows best, a gun. It is not the gun's fault. I suspect the individual who is the alleged shooter was in need of professional assistance. There may be many reasons for his need. There are issues of lack of availability of menatl health assistance, backlog at VA facilities, shame based reasons for not seeking help, good hearted people who think they know the right way to handle a problem because they had something similar, and the list goes on.
Two things of this incomplete list stand out to me. Poor mental health accessibility and the void being filled with people who are good hearted but can cause more damage. I have seen this happen in my own life on more than one occasion. It is the reason we get people to health care professionals rather than use Aunt Bessie's cure that worked on X. It is the reason I don't try to fix my own car, I take it to a mechanic. It is the reason there need to be limits on the help untrained individuals can offer in situations where suicide and homocide are all too common.
I feel very bad that this fine young man lost his life in such a way. It needs to be used in some positive way for all those who are still suffering and cannot or will not get help for the PTSD. The shame based reasons the military personnel use to not get help has got to be addressed in a way that can be accepted.