Chris Kyle, record-holding sniper as Navy SEAL, killed in double slaying at Erath Cou

  1. 1 Chris Kyle, record-holding sniper as Navy SEAL, killed in double slaying at Erath County gun range
    Officials have identified that second victim of a fatal shooting at Rough Creek Lodge and Resort in Erath County, which killed former Navy SEAL sniper Chris Kyle.

    Chad Littlefield, 35, of Midlothian was identified as the other victim on early Sunday morning. Kyle, 38, and Littlefield were at the gun range on Saturday afternoon for charity event on behalf of Kyle's Dallas-based security firm Craft International, when they were shot and killed.

    Kyle, who wrote the best-selling book American Sniper, held the record for the number of kills by an American sniper. The Pentagon has confirmed more than 150 of his kills. The previous record was 109. For his service, Kyle was awarded two Silver Stars and five Bronze Stars with Valor. His autobiography, American Sniper, was released last year.

    Lancaster police said late Saturday they had arrested Eddie Ray Routh, 25, as a suspect in the double slaying. Routh has been arraigned on two counts of capital murder, according to Texas Department of Public Safety. ...

    ... Investigators said that Routh, a former Marine who sources said is believed to suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome, shot Kyle and the second victim at point-blank range. ...

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime...-gun-range.ece
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  3. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    oh so sad...these poor vets and their inadequately treated PTSD
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  4. Visit  azhiker96 profile page
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    Even more sad that Chris Kyle had invite his killer to the gun range. From another article I read Mr. Kyle had been working with vets to try to help them adjust back to civilian life.
    ...a mentor to other veterans, sometimes taking them shooting at a gun range near his Texas home as a kind of therapy to salve battlefield scars, friends said. One such veteran was Eddie Ray Routh, a 25-year-old Marine who had served tours in Iraq and Haiti.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/us...lled.html?_r=0
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  5. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    Maybe I am nuts but I don't think I would take someone who is actively suffering PTSD from war to go shooting. Seems to me that the sounds and smells would invite flashbacks. The sights might be on a paper target but the mind is easily back on the battle field. IMHO

    Was Chris Kyle any kind of trained therapist?
  6. Visit  CrufflerJJ profile page
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    ...Was Chris Kyle any kind of trained therapist?
    No, I don't think so. Just a kid from TX who rode rodeo critters, overcame incredible odds in not only surviving BUD/S and following training, but in deploying to hot sandy places, getting injured, overcoming those injuries to join Seal Team 6. His book details some of the personal demons he had to deal with, including substance abuse.

    He was not any sort of trained therapist, but just a student of the human animal, what makes them tick, and how to break them.

    Following separation from the Navy, (Mr. Kyle stated):

    "I kind of went down a black hole," he said. "Being a SEAL wasn't just what I did, it was my identity, that's what defined me.

    Kyle said he began drinking heavily. Then one day, he bought some gym equipment and started getting back into shape. He said it "turned his head around," and he found he no longer needed the alcohol.

    Wanting to share his success with other veterans, he approached fitness center outfitting business FITCO, which is headquartered in Carrollton, about possibly purchasing used equipment at a discount. Instead, they contacted him the next day with the idea for FITCO Cares."

    (ref: Viewing Story - Neighborsgo - The Dallas Morning News )

    Perhaps Mr. Kyle felt that the years of dealing with his personal struggles (with the support of his wife and fellow Team members) gave him sufficient insight into how to deal with broken humans suffering from PTSD.

    Even if he was wrong, he was a heck of an American, and I'm sorry to see his life end like this. He had a lot more to give.
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  7. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    I agree fully. It is such a tragedy all the way around. I am sure he was doing what worked for him. There is a line between walking with someone who has similar experiences and using your own success as a measure of what will work and when to offer.

    "The mark of a good therapist is timing." Nelson Polite. The best therapist I ever saw in action.
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  8. Visit  CrufflerJJ profile page
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    I only hope that the "shooter" has his PTSD background taken into full consideration when it comes time for him to stand trial. Otherwise, he'll be just one more person on the Texas "fast track to the execution chamber".
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  9. Visit  22gawhitacre profile page
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    At this point according to the article the PTSD is alleged not official. We can't jump to conclusions and say he did this because of PTSD until all facts are in.
  10. Visit  azhiker96 profile page
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    Even if the shooter has PTSD, a headache, and bunions I don't think he needs to be set free anytime soon. Of course, at this point he's just the alleged shooter. My first statement hinges on adequate evidence and a fair trial.
  11. Visit  TopazLover profile page
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    I look at this a bit differently. A good hearted individual tries to help a fellow comrade using the tool he knows best, a gun. It is not the gun's fault. I suspect the individual who is the alleged shooter was in need of professional assistance. There may be many reasons for his need. There are issues of lack of availability of menatl health assistance, backlog at VA facilities, shame based reasons for not seeking help, good hearted people who think they know the right way to handle a problem because they had something similar, and the list goes on.

    Two things of this incomplete list stand out to me. Poor mental health accessibility and the void being filled with people who are good hearted but can cause more damage. I have seen this happen in my own life on more than one occasion. It is the reason we get people to health care professionals rather than use Aunt Bessie's cure that worked on X. It is the reason I don't try to fix my own car, I take it to a mechanic. It is the reason there need to be limits on the help untrained individuals can offer in situations where suicide and homocide are all too common.

    I feel very bad that this fine young man lost his life in such a way. It needs to be used in some positive way for all those who are still suffering and cannot or will not get help for the PTSD. The shame based reasons the military personnel use to not get help has got to be addressed in a way that can be accepted.
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  12. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    We seem eager, as a country, to spend billions sending our young into war. Yet we appear reluctant to spend the billions necessary to care for them when they return home.
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  13. Visit  Medic2RN profile page
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Maybe I am nuts but I don't think I would take someone who is actively suffering PTSD from war to go shooting. Seems to me that the sounds and smells would invite flashbacks. The sights might be on a paper target but the mind is easily back on the battle field. IMHO

    Was Chris Kyle any kind of trained therapist?
    AKY, I found this:

    Davison reflected upon Kyle's foundation, FITCO Cares, whose aim is to assist veterans who are struggling to reenter civilian life and suffering from emotional illness.
    Although Davison had never met Kyle, the two had friends in common. And Davison expressed confidence in Kyle's ability to correctly gauge the emotions of the young man he was trying to help in the course of target practice therapy.
    Tac Pro owner speaks on shooting therapy

    Apparently, Kyle's company, like this man's organization uses target practice therapy to help people. I didn't know that form of therapy existed.
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  14. Visit  azhiker96 profile page
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    Maybe I am nuts but I don't think I would take someone who is actively suffering PTSD from war to go shooting. Seems to me that the sounds and smells would invite flashbacks. The sights might be on a paper target but the mind is easily back on the battle field. IMHO

    Was Chris Kyle any kind of trained therapist?
    My son in law struggled with PTSD for a couple of years after returning from Iraq. It's not a one size fits all disorder. His main issue was due to seeing two buddies get killed due to a suicide car bombing. He held one friend as he died. One manifestation was sheer terror if a white vehicle was parked on a street he was driving. He'd have to stop, turn around and take a different path. I went out shooting with him several times and never felt any fear for my life. A diagnosis of PTSD does not mean the person is a time bomb that could go nuts and kill everyone around him.
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