Australia: Intersex reforms pave way forward - page 2

Groundbreaking new guidelines on recognising intersex, transgender and gender-diverse people in official documents could represent a major step forward in sex and gender-diverse rights... Read More

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    Double posted by accident.
    Last edit by herring_RN on Jun 26, '13

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    Quote from tntrn
    Yes, and that is I find disturbing and not just a little bit weird.
    Do you know any intersex people?
    I do. And probably know other people who keep their genitals secret.

    Gender is not 100% binary. Many people have been raised as a girl or boy. Then it is found at some age they are not 100% either. Their gender is chosen for them by a doctor and parents. Then as an adult they realize the wrong gender was assigned.

    It is unusual, but there are many intersex babies born. Apparantly many intersex people in Australia have been "coming out". There are support groups for them and for parents on intersex children.

    What if It's (Sort of) a Boy and (Sort of) a Girl?
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    The guidelines, which come into force on July 1, also recognise that some people may wish to have different gender/sex specifications on different documents, allowing intersex and gender non-specific people to register as male or female on their passports to ensure their safety when travelling overseas. ...
    I don't know any. Any that I am aware of, at any rate.

    But that is neither here nor there, as far as my statement is concerned. The above is what concerns me and I do find it disturbing.

    From what that says, I could claim to be a man on my Library Card, but a woman on my passport. What possible sense does that make?
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    Why should your library card say anything on the subject? Can only man borrow certain books? It is not a recognized form of identification so why would or should it ID anyone by gender?
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    Why should your library card say anything on the subject? Can only man borrow certain books? It is not a recognized form of identification so why would or should it ID anyone by gender?
    You are doesn't and it shouldn't. But that doesn't answer my question about why any one person can claim to be mail on one piece of ID and female on another.
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    I didn't have enough information to have an opinion. The language of the policy makes it clear that gender identity will not be legally changed on a whim.

    It is OK to feel uncomfortable about this. Most people do. If we meet tourists from Australia I doubt we care what gender is on their passport.
    Mostly give them directions when they ask or discuss surfing at the beach.[
    And of course love working with Australian nurses.

    The passport policy was the first step in changing the way the Australian Government recognises sex and/or gender diversity in its records and documents. Under the passport policy, sex reassignment surgery is not a prerequisite to issue a passport in a new gender.

    Birth or citizenship certificates do not need to be amended for sex and gender diverse applicants to be issued a passport in their preferred gender.

    A letter from a medical practitioner certifying that the person has had, or is receiving, appropriate clinical treatment for gender transition to a new gender, is intersex and does not identify with the sex assigned to them at birth, is acceptable evidence of gender identity.

    A passport in a new sex mayalso be issued to applicants who have undergone sex reassignment surgery and have registered their change of sex with Registrars of Births, Deaths and Marriages or the Department of Immigration and Citizenship.
    A passport may be issued to sex and gender diverse applicants in M (male), F (female) or X(indeterminate/unspecified/intersex).

    Draft AustralianGovernment Guidelines on the Recognition of Sex and Gender
    The categories of male and female are unchanged. There are a small number of people in Australia who fall outside this binary or will change their gender in their lifetime. The guidelines ensure Australian Government records can reflect this.
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    Rev. David Weekley, One Of First Transgender Methodist Clergyman, Shares His Story
    While not exactly what the thread is about - this article and video help people to understand more about transgendered individuals.
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    When I was in high school, I knew a young man whose first name was his mother's maiden name - Lynne. It would have been nice if they'd left the "e" off, but they didn't. His birth certificate said he was male. He received a draft notice as did many other young men of that era.

    His driver's license, despite the very masculine photo, said female. Ditto for his passport. I don't know about his library card.
    Voter registration card says Lynne is male.

    So here's a male person with legal ID for both traditional genders. He had his driver's license corrected and eventually, his passport
    too, but what a hassle!

    I simply cannot imagine what transgender and intersex persons have been forced to endure.
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    A transgendered lifestyle cannot be an easy life, although I hope it is one that can be filled with the joys and blessings of a more "conventional" heterosexual life.

    In this regard, the depth of difficulty, sorrow, pain, scorn, etc that is experienced with transgender lifestyle would suggest that it is NOT a choice, at least not in the way we would choose a career, for example. Instead, it is something the person is compelled to pursue as part of their personal contentment in life.

    It is not anti-social.
    It is not hateful.
    It is not an exclusive club (ie: "you can't belong because you are "too black", or "too female", or "too male", or "too Christian"). You may socialize with them if you will.
    It is not judgmental...although some will judge you if you judge them.

    On a civil level, there has to be a way for transgenders to live amongst us in a free and unencumbered way. They do not require special rights, they just require equal rights.

    We will never end individual bigotry and racism and hatred in this country. I have my own individual issues, as each of us do. Figuring out how to minimize our community level bigotry, bias, and fear is the hard part, IMHO

    There will, for some time, be women who will be uncomfortable if they KNEW that a transgendered male was using her bathroom/locker room at the same time. It is not necessary that she/they know. Not their business. That transgendered male is NOT there to look at their/her butt! He/she is there to preserve their own sense of modesty and "correctness".

    The more I think through this (on quiet reflecting vacations into the wilds of Alaska), I know that our civil society must evolve to include these personal freedoms.

    On a philosophical note, how could we possibly accept alien visitors and their values when we cannot even accept other occupants of our own planet?
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