2013 March on Washington

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    Used to be I didn't like Rev. Sharpton much. It seems that along with fat he lost most of his negativism.
    Here is the speech he gave today. I heard it on the radio.

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    Bayard Rustin: The Gay Black Pacifist at the Heart of the March on Washington

    Though he was chief strategist for King's march, Rustin was kept in the background as some organizers considered him a liability. He died in 1987, and is sometimes forgotten in civil rights history. ...

    ... Rustin, a formidable organiser and central figure in the civil rights movement, was a complex and compelling figure. Raised a Quaker, his political development would take him through pacifism, communism, socialism and into the civil rights movement in dramatic fashion. In 1944, after refusing to fight in World War Two, he had been jailed as a conscientious objector. It was primarily through him that the leadership would adopt non-violent direct action not only as a strategy but a principle. "The only weapons we have is our bodies," he once said. "And we have to tuck them in places so wheels don't turn."

    Rustin was also openly gay, an attribute which was regarded as a liability in the early sixties in a movement dominated by clerics. His position became particularly vulnerable following his arrest in Pasadena, in 1953, when he was caught having sex with two men in a parked car. Charged with lewd vagrancy he plead out to a lesser 'morals charge' and was sent to jail for 60 days.

    Some in the room that day believed all this made him too great a liability to be associated with such a high profile event.

    Roy Wilkins of the NAACP, was candid. "I don't want you leading that march on Washington, because you know I don't give a damn about what they say, but publicly I don't want to have to defend the draft dodging," he said. "I know you're a Quaker, but that's not what I'll have to defend. I'll have to defend draft dodging. I'll have to defend promiscuity. The question is never going to be homosexuality, it's going to be promiscuity and I can't defend that. And the fact is that you were a member of the Young Communist League. And I don't care what you say, I can't defend that." ...

    Bayard Rustin: the gay black pacifist at the heart of the March on Washington | World news | theguardian.com
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    "A great Democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon." William Jefferson Clinton August 28, 2013 at the Lincoln Memorial.
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    Quote from herring_RN
    "A great Democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon." William Jefferson Clinton August 28, 2013 at the Lincoln Memorial.
    I heard him say that and I thought, what a moron. It took a few minutes to register to vote and my ballots for every election are sent to me in the mail. The form is much shorter than the one to purchase a rifle and there is no FBI background check. If I misspell or abbreviate a word on the form to purchase a gun (St. instead of Street) it will be kicked back to me. Besides, if it is a true assault weapon I also have to pay a $200 transfer tax and wait weeks for the government to review the application and send approval.

    Of course, maybe I mistook his meaning. Perhaps he meant we do live in a great Democracy because it's easier to vote than to purchase an assault weapon.
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    Quote from azhiker96
    I heard him say that and I thought, what a moron. It took a few minutes to register to vote and my ballots for every election are sent to me in the mail. The form is much shorter than the one to purchase a rifle and there is no FBI background check. If I misspell or abbreviate a word on the form to purchase a gun (St. instead of Street) it will be kicked back to me. Besides, if it is a true assault weapon I also have to pay a $200 transfer tax and wait weeks for the government to review the application and send approval.

    Of course, maybe I mistook his meaning. Perhaps he meant we do live in a great Democracy because it's easier to vote than to purchase an assault weapon.
    Not every state has voting by mail. Some places will not allow you to vote if your name is not the same as your birth name. Other states will not allow you to vote if you are a student in college in that state. many students change their residence to their new collegiate home town for a variety of reasons. One is that they are there a majority of the year and might like to have a voice in the community in which they live. In NC recently young voters will be deprived of voting because they cannot register until they actually turn 18. So they can be 18+ weeks or perhaps even moths to a year that they are disenfranchised but able to buy weapons and be accepted in the armed service to fight for a country that deprives them of a vote.

    No, you may have an easy time voting but not every American has this advantage. You also can purchase a gun with no background check and no forms to fill out. I can sell you a gun with no paper trail.

    Until all have ease of voting to be equal to the ability to purchase a gun we need to listen to this. Our laws about voting will continue to disenfranchise a percentage of voters. New laws are specifcally written to focus of keeping people with certain demographics from voting.

    I am happy you can vote. I will be happier when all who meet minimal criteria are able to vote.
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    [QUOTE=aknottedyarn;7499162]Not every state has voting by mail. Some places will not allow you to vote if your name is not the same as your birth name.

    Does this mean that married women who have taken their husband's name are unable to vote? I find that hard to believe. Is there a reference for this?

    Other states will not allow you to vote if you are a student in college in that state. many students change their residence to their new collegiate home town for a variety of reasons. One is that they are there a majority of the year and might like to have a voice in the community in which they live.

    Wow, which states do not allow college students to vote? I do understand not allowing a non-resident to register to vote however when you change your driver's license is a great time to register to vote. Or just use this website, Register to Vote | Long Distance Voter - The Absentee Ballot Experts

    In NC recently young voters will be deprived of voting because they cannot register until they actually turn 18.

    I don't know of any places that allow people under the age of 18 to register to vote because they generally don't let underage people vote. It's simple enough for someone to register to vote when they turn 18. If they don't and somehow miss an election then they've disenfranchised themselves. Once the are legally able to purchase weapons, they can register and vote. They still can't legally drink alcohol for another three years though, even though they can enlist, fight, and die for their country.

    So they can be 18+ weeks or perhaps even moths to a year that they are disenfranchised but able to buy weapons and be accepted in the armed service to fight for a country that deprives them of a vote.

    Once someone is 18 they can register to vote. How are they still disenfranchised for months to a year once they are registered? According to information on the above link it looks like 5 weeks is about the longest someone would have to wait if they mailed in their application. 3-4 weeks is more the norm for mailed registrations.

    No, you may have an easy time voting but not every American has this advantage. You also can purchase a gun with no background check and no forms to fill out. I can sell you a gun with no paper trail.

    True, private sales and even gifting weapons is not illegal. Likewise, because of the ease of voting some people are able to vote multiple times in the same election. I believe that was shown to happen with some snowbirds and at least one lady who purposely voted multiple times in the last Presidential election.

    Until all have ease of voting to be equal to the ability to purchase a gun we need to listen to this. Our laws about voting will continue to disenfranchise a percentage of voters. New laws are specifcally written to focus of keeping people with certain demographics from voting.

    The only demographic I want kept from voting are those who have already voted in the election or people who are not citizens in the election.

    I am happy you can vote. I will be happier when all who meet minimal criteria are able to vote.

    Perhaps we can take a lesson from how the UN supervises elections in the third world. Don't use absentee voting at all. Let anyone who appears to be of legal age vote and then stick their finger in the ink well. No IDs needed.
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    North Carolina new 2013 voting law:
    “Mrs. Eaton, who was born at home, has a current North Carolina driver’s license, but the name on her certified birth certificate does not match the name on her driver’s license or the name on her voter registration card,” the lawsuit notes.

    “Mrs. Eaton will incur substantial time and expense to correct her identification documents to match her voter registration record in order to meet the new requirements.

    http://newsone.com/2675187/rosanell-...voter-id-laws/
    [QUOTE]Gov. Pat McCrory signed the bill -- one of the toughest voting measures in the country -- into law on Monday.

    It requires voters to bring photo ID to the polls, cuts down early voting time by one week, eliminates same-day voter registration and bans pre-registration for youth voters who will turn 18 on Election Day.

    http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/...ry?id=19946195
    The bill approved by the Republican-controlled North Carolina legislature requires that voters present a government-issued photo identification at the polls rather than the current system that also allows for use of student ID cards issued by the state’s public universities and community colleges.

    The measure also shortens the early-voting period before Election Day, ends same-day registration and prohibits high school students from registering before their 18th birthdays....

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...er-ruling.html
    Moments after Gov. Pat McCrory left the stage, former Secretary of State Colin Powell took aim at North Carolina's new voting law Thursday, saying it hurts the Republican Party, punishes minority voters and makes it more difficult for everyone to vote
    ."I want to see policies that encourage every American to vote, not make it more difficult to vote," said Powell, a Republican, at the CEO Forum in Raleigh.

    "It immediately turns off a voting block the Republican Party needs," Powell continued. "These kinds of actions do not build on the base. It just turns people away."

    The retired general served as the keynote speaker at the event and made his remarks moments after McCrory finished his remarks. His comments represent the most high-profile criticism of the Republican-crafted law that requires voters to show photo identification at the polls, cuts early voting days and makes it harder for students to vote.

    In one comment, he seemed to rebuke McCrory for suggesting that voter fraud likely exists but is hard to detect. The governor had compared it to insider trading.
    "You can say what you like, but there is no voter fraud," Powell said. "How can it be widespread and undetected?"...

    http://projects.newsobserver.com/und...ina_voting_law
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    I did not know about Mrs. Eaton but find that case intriguing. Somehow she has managed to have three different names on three different identifying documents and it's considered unfair that she might have trouble using those to vote. I'll skip over the fact that she filled out the applications for driver's license and voter registration so she might have a bit of culpability for the discrepancy.

    If I wanted to vote and presented a birth certificate for John Doe, a driver's license for Jake Jones, and a voter registration card in the name of Jojo Jones I'd expect to have issues. Do we really want people to be voting with an alias or with their legal name? My FIL goes by his middle name Ed but all of his other documents including his engineers stamp are his birth name. It's not difficult to fill out an application with your actual name.

    In the case of someone who changes their name either by court order or through marriage, my wives have had no problem using a copy of their marriage certificate to get drivers license, nursing license, or voter registration changed.

    Here's a thought, let's compromise. I suggest we setup a national voter registration card and make it free. Anyone who has a social security number is issued one and it can be sent out a couple of months before a person's 18th birthday. The card would be scanned when someone is checked in to vote or it's number would be on a removable tab on an absentee ballot. There would be no cost to the people and it would ensure one vote per voter.

    Here's a less comprehensive solution. A Solution For the Voter ID Debate: Quit Being Idiots and Compromise | Independent Journal Review

    First off, it’s not racist to ask for a photo ID to vote, just in the same way it isn’t racist to ask for photo ID to buy alcohol, cigarettes, apply for welfare or food stamps, cash a check, purchase a firearm, make credit card purchases, open a bank account, rent an apartment, get a marriage license, or buy Sudafed for a stuffy nose.
    For instance, the state of South Carolina does not require payment for ID cards for those of voting age, but for Democrats’ sake, let’s completely disregard that many of the 11% of eligible voters that don’t have IDs could actually acquire IDs if they gave a minimal amount of effort and/or money, and let’s say the cost is $10 per card and apply that over those 22.66 million Americans that are assumed to not have IDs: that would cost a grand total of $226.6 million …if the government paid for everything. Now, let’s continue to be liberal with our assumptions and round that number up to a healthy $300 million just to protect against any blowback that ‘the $226.6 million would only cover the IDs and not the overhead costs associated with actually getting IDs in people’s hands.’
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    [QUOTE=azhiker96;7502705]

    Here's a thought, let's compromise. I suggest we setup a national voter registration card and make it free. Anyone who has a social security number is issued one and it can be sent out a couple of months before a person's 18th birthday. The card would be scanned when someone is checked in to vote or it's number would be on a removable tab on an absentee ballot. There would be no cost to the people and it would ensure one vote per voter.

    Unfortunately it is a states' rights issue. It sounds great in theory but the states who have jumped to immediately change voting laws in their states following the SC decision are obviously not doing their changes to increase voting or voters. They did not want to have better access to voting. That is a sad commentary on the states and their understanding of democracy or perhaps their unwillingness to have a participatory democracy.
    Last edit by aknottedyarn on Sep 1, '13 : Reason: clarity


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