A calorie in is NOT a Calorie out....Unless you're on Paleo

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What we know about nutrition is changing...Let me start at the beginning: I have been amazed at the amount of misinformation I have found while searching for details on the Paleo diet and even nutrition in general. I can just imagine how frustrating it must be for the average person, who is interested in learning how to eat a healthier diet, to find valid nutritional information.

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    A calorie in is NOT a Calorie out....Unless you're on Paleo

    I like to consider myself as a scientist at heart and I have a background with education in chemistry, nutrition, biology, A&P, Psych, etc. so I feel that I can find and interpret with some confidence, the nutritional information I was looking for, so far as scientific studies, scientific terminology and so on. I have a pretty good idea how to sift through all the bogus and find actual, solid info. I have so far found a wealth of overwhelming and convincing information on the Paleo diet...so much so that I have switched my whole family over to it. It just makes SENSE when nothing else I have been hearing about diets, nutrition and weight loss does, and is obviously not working, as it has not worked for me, or else bariatric surgery would not be becoming the number one performed surgery in the U.S.

    All of this info I collected from some various blogs (because I wanted some personal opinions on people who had experience with this diet), as well as from M.D's who are treating their pt's various health problems with this diet, nutritional biochemists, physicist's and so on...I was also sure to include information from those both pro and con, so that I can understand both sides.

    Now, there are different versions of the Paleo diet, but they all require a 14 day transition period so that your body can switch it's metabolism over to ketosis. My families diet will be based around fats first, then proteins then carbs. With a max intake of carbs around 100 or so grams per day. Our diet will consist of healthy fats such as coconut oil, nuts, avocado, EVOO and so on. Lean meats of all varieties, a wealth of veggies and some fruits. We will include coconut milk, goat's milk and some good cheeses and yogurts as well. No direct source of carbs, no processed foods, no added sugars or high fructose corn syrup, no artificial sweeteners, no grains, no legumes...

    I am almost done with my transition and I have lost 15 lbs and I feel absolutely amazing! I don't even know where to begin to tell you what is going on with my body...I have lost all my retained body water, my energy is not as someone would say "through the roof", it is so much better than that! I just have this steady flow of energy that makes me feel like I could go all day without a break, especially during my workouts. My acne is clearing up, my dandruff is better, my hair is so soft and shiny, my skin is soft, my mood is balanced so that I am no longer on this roller coaster of emotions. I am dedicated to making this a lifelong change for me and my family. We have decided to add another little one to our family next year and I am planning on staying Paleo before and during my pregnancy, as well as raising my baby the Paleo way. I am continuing to research Paleo and pregnancy so that I will have the utmost confidence in my decision, and have it based on as many scientific facts as possible and not just personal beliefs.

    But back to the point of my post, which is that what we know as nurses concerning nutrition is very vague or even incorrect. Half the things that we reviewed in my nursing program regarding nutrition was very outdated and sometimes even completely false. My instructor told us to stay away from the fat burning diets because they were the absolute worst! They would put you into ketoacidosis which could be fatal...I just chuckled to myself at this, no point trying to correct her...benign physiological ketosis cannot even be compared to pathological diabetic ketoacidosis.

    So what I pretty much knew as misinformation was being fed to our class, with basically no one to know any better. So they will go out and spread this information to others, who will continue to spread the misinformation. It is a sad cycle, when all we need to do is look into it for ourselves.

    We can start right here...I have seen several old posts with negative views on the Paleo diet, and instead of revitalizing an old post I decided to start another. Below are two things that you may not know about nutrition and the Paleo diet that can start off our discussion:

    A false idea that has been fed to us is that we can't possibly skip on milk, grains and fruit! We won't get all the nutrients we need! Well, I took the time to look up all of the vitamins the human body needs and the recommended amounts and found some interesting info. We can get every single vitamin we need in meats, nuts and veggies. Every single darn one.


    Additionally, here's an article from which I got the idea for the title of my post:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/

    Basically it states that high fat diets defy the second law of thermodynamics, which is what we understand as "a calorie in is a calorie out", or what we also know as "If you have less calories in and more calories out, you will loose weight". If you wade through the article, down towards the bottom it states that an experiment was performed where two groups of people, one carb burners, the other fat burners, where both given a diet of the same amount of calories and performed the same amount of exercise, yet the fat burners lost more weight that the carb burners. So there goes that info that almost every personal trainer in the U.S has been feeding overweight clients desperate to loose weight.

    Let's start with these two bits of info to get us started and see where we can go from there...I have encountered some pretty amazing minds here on AN and I would love to have a chance to dissect this topic (Paleo and other diets) with you all. Perhaps you can change my mind...or maybe I can change yours!
    Last edit by VickyRN on Jun 25, '12
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    You have given the most useful information here, I hope it will lead good help for everyone.
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    I have kicked around using the Paleo diet for sometime and still kicking it around.

    First let me say I started to read the article with the link you provided, and frankly I just got done with biology and you are going to lose people here with that bio heavy explanation.

    My eyes glazed over again.

    Simple stupid will keep folks interested.

    When you state, "Carb burners" and "Fat burners," once again most folks don't know or get the difference. Kinda like saying "aerobic" exercise and "non-aerobic"

    I have been working out and taking care of my body for the last 4 years almost religiously. I have been doing P90X and Insanity for my workouts as well as mountain running and mountain biking.

    I went from 216 pounds to 185 pounds and for the last year been 185 - 190 pounds depending on what I eat and how much i have put into exercising.

    My eating and work out are kinda of funny. I run a negative calorie diet to say the most. For me, a male 6'1" tall, 49 years old, I should be taking in around 2000 cals daily just for life. Now with exercise on top of that I burn on a average, 800 cals a workout, which should put me up in the range of 2800 cals consumed daily, give or take.

    I however, usually take in 1200-1600 cals.

    Now I don't recommend what I do and I am not a fitness professional or doctor. (disclaimer) But his works for me

    So am I a "fat burner" or "Carb burner"? My goal now is to get to 180 pounds, at which I should be at about 7% body fat.

    Now mind you the my diet is a lot of chicken, lean meats, salad and vegetables. No process flours, very little sugar, and a 50, 40, 10, protein, carb fats ratio.

    I will follow this thread closely. Sounds interesting.
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    enlightening information thank you for sharing it with us, specially when i'm a bodybuilder and most of the information you have shared is part of my regiment. having said that, one problem we face when looking at the paleo diet is that there are multiple versions of it among its many adherents. unquestionably, some insist on organic, grass-fed beef, others barely mention it. in addition, some say no oils are allowed. on the other hand, others say low omega 6/high omega 3 oils such as canola oil are okay. with that said, others disagree as to which fruits and vegetables are allowed. therefore, this brings up a second fundamental problem when discussing the paleo diet, with so many variations, what exactly is it? common sense will tell us that the paleo diet plus smart exercise and lifestyle adjustments will help you lose fat and get healthy is that simple.
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    Interesting article!
    I don't think there is one diet plan that works for everyone.
    You just need to find a healthy diet that works for you.
    I hear so many people talking about how this diet or that diet didn't work when they never really stuck with it.
    Or they complain about gaining back weight after going on a short term diet and then returning to the same diet that made them overweight in the first place.
    Or they loose weight but end up in the hospital because they are on an unbalanced diet they found online that was probably written by (and for) teenagers with eating disorders.
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    just wondering how is this different than the Adkins diet?
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    Quote from jeannepaul
    just wondering how is this different than the Adkins diet?
    Atkins encourages"healthy" carb consumption in moderation after the initial phase. Because the point behind the diet is eat like a caveman, processed carbs just don't fit into that. Not many cavemen made low-carb bread

    Also, strict adherents don't use oils or processed dairy for that reason.
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    "I took the time to look up all of the vitamins the human body needs and the recommended amounts and found some interesting info. We can get every single vitamin we need in meats, nuts and veggies. Every single darn one."

    That can't be true, since no one know all the micronutrients that the human body needs or benefits from. That is the issue I have with eliminating entire, large food groups, like fruits.

    No one knows exactly what pre-agricultural people ate, though from what I know of anthropology, and from what I've seen of the various paleo diets, it looks like a lot of the paleo diets are historically off the mark. That doesn't mean that they're not (or that they are) nutritious, but it points to the faith-based element of this and many other diets.

    The science surrounding popular diets is thin.

    "All of this info I collected from some various blogs (because I wanted some personal opinions on people who had experience with this diet)"

    That is not the best evidence-based data. I'm glad you found other sources. I'd be more inclined to pay attention to the research studies, though double blinding is impossible unless the food is all pureed.

    "I am almost done with my transition and I have lost 15 lbs and I feel absolutely amazing!"

    We're talking about a period of less than 14 days. You realize that you've lost a lot of water, but you might have seen the same effect by cutting down on salt. Your response to the diet is a common one. It's hard to get valid data on its effects until at least a year has passed. I think you're jumping the gun, Pets to People.
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    Quote from gitanorn
    enlightening information thank you for sharing it with us, specially when i'm a bodybuilder and most of the information you have shared is part of my regiment. having said that, one problem we face when looking at the paleo diet is that there are multiple versions of it among its many adherents. unquestionably, some insist on organic, grass-fed beef, others barely mention it. in addition, some say no oils are allowed. on the other hand, others say low omega 6/high omega 3 oils such as canola oil are okay. with that said, others disagree as to which fruits and vegetables are allowed. therefore, this brings up a second fundamental problem when discussing the paleo diet, with so many variations, what exactly is it? common sense will tell us that the paleo diet plus smart exercise and lifestyle adjustments will help you lose fat and get healthy is that simple.
    yes, there is a lot of conflicting information. but the one thing that is certain and a common pattern among all paleo versions is the wholeness of the foods. foods that are closest to it's natural state are best--plain and simple; no matter what diet you choose.
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    Where would I start in switching to Paleo? Do you have a plan that you can post or e-mail to me? Thanks!!


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