Women's march(es) coming up - page 2

Don't know why I'm hearing about this so late, or if I'm the last to do so, but I just found out this evening that there are anniversary Women's Marches planned for DC and other locations around the... Read More

  1. by   heron
    Positive ... and I still find it hilarious that a couple of neocons are arguing that feminists are too politically incorrect. So totally trump.

    As for insecurities, why else hone in on the appearance of marchers (their clothing) and the political incorrectness of how they look. You're betting that feminist readers will crumble away into self-conscious guilt and stop making you uncomfortable.

    Of course, as soon as someone wears a brown, red, yellow or reconstructed ***** hat, they'll be attacked for cultural appropriation. That's how it works, isn't it? Anything to keep people divided.

    Personally, I think we should have fiber artists start working on ***** hats that celebrate the diversity of women, a la The Dinner Party. It would be a far more positive than letting trolls shame us into hiding our female selves yet again.
    Last edit by heron on Jan 13
  2. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from heron
    Positive ... and I still find it hilarious that a couple of neocons are arguing that feminists are too politically incorrect. So totally trump.

    As for insecurities, why else hone in on the appearance of marchers (their clothing) and the political incorrectness of how they look. You're betting that feminist readers will crumble away into self-conscious guilt and stop making you uncomfortable.

    Of course, as soon as someone wears a brown, red, yellow or reconstructed ***** hat, they'll be attacked for cultural appropriation. That's how it works, isn't it? Anything to keep people divided.

    Personally, I think we should have fiber artists start working on ***** hats that celebrate the diversity of women, a la The Dinner Party. It would be a far more positive than letting trolls shame us into hiding our female selves yet again.
    I just saw the Dinner Party for the first time last weekend. What an amazing installation of female history and accomplishment. Wish I had worn my *****hat to the museum that day.

    I wonder if the neocons object to swastikas as much as pink hats?
    Last edit by BCgradnurse on Jan 13
  3. by   heron
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    I just saw the Dinner Party for the first time last weekend. What an amazing installing of female history and accomplishment. Wish I had worn my *****hat to the museum that day.

    I wonder if the neocons object to swastikas as much as pink hats?
    I saw it at the Museum of Art in Boston back in the seventies. Would love to see a similar exploration on women in the upcoming march.
  4. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from heron
    Positive ... and I still find it hilarious that a couple of neocons are arguing that feminists are too politically incorrect. So totally trump.

    As for insecurities, why else hone in on the appearance of marchers (their clothing) and the political incorrectness of how they look. You're betting that feminist readers will crumble away into self-conscious guilt and stop making you uncomfortable.
    Quote from BCgradnurse
    I wonder if the neocons object to swastikas as much as pink hats?
    I find it bizarre that you continue to think that anyone here, at allnurses, is objecting to wear hats. It's already been said, multiple times, that the only people who have argued against wearing the hats are the founders of the women's marches. And even they say, they support the women themselves, even if they want to wear them, but they themselves would not wear them or endorse the actual hats because it might hurt other peoples' feelings.

    Posters here have only pointed out.

    So is the founder and other coordinates of the women's marches the "neocons" you keep referring to or...?
  5. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from heron
    Of course, as soon as someone wears a brown, red, yellow or reconstructed ***** hat, they'll be attacked for cultural appropriation. That's how it works, isn't it? Anything to keep people divided.
    Actually, the founder of the women's march said that people do and can make other color hats. The color pink was only originally chosen because it was a feminine color, and during the time of the original march, they wanted a big statement. But the founder also goes back to the actual shape of the hat because they believe that woman does not equal vagina and vagina does not equal woman. So they didn't want anyone to feel left out if they were "a woman without a vagina", saying it was transphobic.

    I don't understand how you would feel any of this is cultural appropriation. What detail would anyone be taking from what minority culture?
  6. by   heron
    Quote from itsybitsy
    I find it bizarre that you continue to think that anyone here, at allnurses, is objecting to wear hats. It's already been said, multiple times, that the only people who have argued against wearing the hats are the founders of the women's marches. And even they say, they support the women themselves, even if they want to wear them, but they themselves would not wear them or endorse the actual hats because it might hurt other peoples' feelings.

    Posters here have only pointed out.

    So is the founder and other coordinates of the women's marches the "neocons" you keep referring to or...?
    No, you and SC_RNDude are ... otherwise why "advise" posters to "rethink" their choice of headgear? It's your intent I'm addressing. Pretending that you two posted as you did out of concern for the political correctness of marchers is just too disingenuous for words. You posted because you want us to become guilt-ridden and drop the subject of the thread.

    I understand that this concept is foreign to you, so I'll try to keep it simple. Feminists are allowed to disagree. Feminists are allowed to be different and to think differently from each other.

    Quoting some authority and thinking that it will dictate what we think or do is not only stupid but also profoundly ignorant of the herstory of women's culture. There is power in being The Other ... by definition we think out of your little boxes.
    Last edit by heron on Jan 13
  7. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from heron
    No, you and SC_RNDude are ... otherwise why "advise" posters to "rethink" their choice of headgear?
    Are you joking? The founder(s) have LITERALLY posted numerous times about their views of the hats. No one said you had to do anything, just that if you followed the founders in their mission for THEIR march, then you wouldn't wear that.

    Quote from heron
    It's your intent I'm addressing. Pretending that you two posted as you did out of concern for the political correctness of marchers is just too disingenuous for words. You posted because you want us to become guilt-ridden and drop the subject of the thread.
    I don't care what you do and I really have no concern of what you do. Just pointing out that the same side is now disavowing each other because of other groups. You're offending yourselves. It really is just laughable. That's why it's being pointed out.

    Quote from heron
    I understand that this concept is foreign to you, so I'll try to keep it simple. Feminists are allowed to disagree. Feminists are allowed to be different and to think differently from each other.
    And uh, no one said to be the same? Again, it's laughable because what was once a unifying thing, is now seen as transphobic and racist by the same people, the founder(s) and other people who have followed their message. You seem to be very attached to your hat, which is fine. I don't care if you wear the hats, the founder(s) of the women's march and other people in the following are the ones who care.

    Quote from heron
    Quoting some authority and thinking that it will dictate what we think or do is not only stupid but also profoundly ignorant of the herstory of women's culture. There is power in being The Other ... by definition we think out of your little boxes.
    I'm only quoting the founder(s). Believe me, they have no authority, they are women who got together to create a movement that they saw fit. Only citing their own words.
  8. by   heron
    And you, in your infinite concern for the political purity of the women's movement, just HAD to point that out, as if no one already knew about that and simply disagreed.

    To paraphrase Judge Judy: don't void on my foot and tell me it's raining. Cherry-pick the literature all you like, you will still fail to intimidate anyone. Women will wear what they choose for reasons of their own. It's not up to you to tell anyone how to be a feminist. The march founders may have come to conclusions regarding headgear, but YOU chose to post it in this thread. Take some responsibility for your own behavior, for a change.
  9. by   itsybitsy
    Quote from heron
    And you, in your infinite concern for the political purity of the women's movement, just HAD to point that out, as if no one already knew about that and simply disagreed.

    To paraphrase Judge Judy: don't void on my foot and tell me it's raining. Cherry-pick the literature all you like, you will still fail to intimidate anyone. Women will wear what they choose for reasons of their own. It's not up to you to tell anyone how to be a feminist. The march founders may have come to conclusions regarding headgear, but YOU chose to post it in this thread. Take some responsibility for your own behavior, for a change.
    Is it not related? I'm didn't know you were so offended by my and others posting it. It's not cherry picking, it's what they said... If you think it's only one sided, why don't you look for yourself.

    How am I intimidating you or anyone else? By posting?

    Yes, I and others choose to post the founder(s) thoughts on the hats. If I posted that she liked them, would that be wrong too? Responsibility for my behavior? For posting something? Geez, you really like your hat...
  10. by   toomuchbaloney
    Yeah!
    Those neocons don't really care about what you wear. They are just spending their time reading opinions on the attire of the marchers so that they can spend more time trying to get potential marchers to read negative opinions about that attire.

    So there.

    Bwahahaha
  11. by   Tweety
    It's quite clear to me that the diversion about the hats was more of a dig at the march rather than any honest discussion about it.

    I went last year and like others about 1,000 people were expected and 20,000 showed up. It was amazing. This year I'm thinking it might not be as big, but do hope to don my feminist hat (figuratively speaking) and join in again.
  12. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from Tweety
    It's quite clear to me that the diversion about the hats was more of a dig at the march rather than any honest discussion about it.

    I went last year and like others about 1,000 people were expected and 20,000 showed up. It was amazing. This year I'm thinking it might not be as big, but do hope to don my feminist hat (figuratively speaking) and join in again.
    I agree, Tweety. That seems to be the M.O. of those who posted about the hats.

    Thanks for supporting feminists!
  13. by   Farawyn
    NO one is going to attack anyone for wearing a ***** hat. Or a dick hat. Or a foot hat.
    Keep trying to divide.

    That being said, what do you all think about assertions that the current wave of women's equality is "too white"?
    And what are white women supposed to do about it?

close