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    Aug 31, '12 by
    Quote from nicurn001
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    We will continue to fundamently disagree on this matter .But we will all have to live and work within the framework of laws related to this issue .
    Agreed.

    It would be nice if we on either side were not characterized as hateful simply for a difference of opinion.

    That's all.
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    Aug 31, '12 by
    Quote from heron
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    Don't like hate speech? Then stop.
    I've never spoken hate speech.
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  3. Sep 1, '12 by
    The cliche is that the only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good people to remain silent. Instead of manufactured outrage over someone using the (linguistically accurate) term "pro-fetus", why not address incidents like, say, the RNC delegates who threw peanuts at a Black camera operator and called her an animal? Why is it that derogatory characterizations are OK when right wing extremists use them? Why is it that when the targets of right-wing hate speech object, they are minimized and mocked? Why do you support that?

    I'm still waiting to read the rationale for naming "pro-fetus" as hate speech in the first place.

    Nope, this particular kerfuffle isn't about hate speech at all, IMHO. It is known that the words we use determine how we think. You can't think about something if you have no word for it. The poster who used pro-fetus instead of pro-life is articulating a way of thinking about the argument that does not agree with yours. (I, for one, think it's a far more accurate phrase than "pro-life", but that's a whole 'nother thread.)

    Simply another example of different standards for me than for thee. IOKIYAR

    I still say, if you don't like hate speech, then stop ... stop using it and stop supporting it.
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    Sep 1, '12 by
    I personally never said "pro-fetus" was hate speech. In fact, one of the other posters mentioned getting a button that said "pro-fetus". It was all done with a smile. I am proudly pro-fetus, pro-baby, pro-embryo.

    The issue about RNC delegates tossing peanuts - I heard vague stories about that but I understand they were booted out. Right? If the story is true, of course I would never side with them. After I get back from the fair and have more time, I'll look into the story in more detail.

    I still say, if you don't like hate speech, then stop ... stop using it and stop supporting it
    And I ask others to do the same.

    edited ( I think I'm bringing FB hateful comments over here as well )
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  5. Sep 1, '12 by
    Quote from Spidey's mom
    The issue about RNC delegates tossing peanuts - I heard vague stories about that but I understand they were booted out. Right? If the story is true, of course I would never side with them. After I get back from the fair and have more time, I'll look into the story in more detail.
    Two people removed from RNC after taunting black camera operator | CNN
    Two people were removed from the Republican National Convention Tuesday after they threw nuts at an African-American CNN camera operator and said, “This is how we feed animals.”

    Multiple witnesses observed the exchange and RNC security and police immediately removed the two people from the Tampa Bay Times Forum.

    The convention released a statement saying, “Two attendees tonight exhibited deplorable behavior. Their conduct was inexcusable and unacceptable. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated."

    CNN also acknowledged the incident, saying, "CNN can confirm there was an incident directed at an employee inside the Tampa Bay Times Forum earlier this afternoon. CNN worked with convention officials to address this matter and will have no further comment.”
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    Sep 1, '12 by
    I guess some people felt that the term pro-fetus was hate speech. I think it was accurate and the fact that no one has answered my scenario tells me lots. Would you sentence your daughter to die, as did one country recently, if she needed chemo to live but that would either cause an abortion or abortion was needed to start the chemo? This is not some wild scenario, someone's daughter was condemned to die and the fetus die also.

    I agree with heron that another thread would be needed to discuss the pros and cons of the terminology and the reasoning behind the terminology.

    I can understand why some call this hate speech. I don't agree but I do understand.
    There are people who go through an entire pregnancy knowing the child will die or some rare problem. This is their choice. And I support their choice. I just have issues when we condemn a grown woman to death. She may have other children to leave motherless. These are two different scenarios and should not be handled with a broad brush stroke. IMHO
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    Have they confirmed that the peanut tossers were actual delegates and not people attending just to cause trouble?
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    Sep 1, '12 by
    I don't know. Perhaps this paper got it right.
    Patricia Carroll, 34, was pelted with peanuts on the convention floor Tuesday by two alternate GOP delegates who said, “This is what we feed animals.”
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    Sep 1, '12 by
    Harry Knox: Re-traumatizing Rape Survivors
    However, the talk about definitions and legitimacy raises serious concerns. As a pastor, I am especially worried that women, men and children who have survived the horror of rape are re-traumatized each time a public figure suggests that some kinds of rape are less valid than others, or argues that a survivor of rape doesn't deserve the right to make his or her own health care decisions because politicians know better. This stunning lack of compassion must bring forth feelings that are literally unimaginable for those of us who have not lived through such an assault.
    Let's make this clear: All rape is real and harmful, and, if a pregnancy results, no woman who has survived sexual violence deserves to be doubted, questioned or judged for her subsequent decisions. Every possible support should be offered to those who have been violated in this morally repugnant way. The last thing that should be done is to limit the options available -- to do so runs counter to every tenet of good pastoral care, which calls for empowering survivors, not taking power and resources away from them. It is simply unacceptable to harm a rape survivor again.


    Good article from a religious POV, not political.
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    Sep 2, '12 by
    5 Crazy Things the GOP Is Still Saying About Women, Rape and Abortion--Even While the Convention Tried to Ignore It | Alternet











    If the Republican Convention planners had their way, their party's extremist hard-line position on social issues like abortion and gay marriage (See 10 Things the GOP Platform Hates About You) would be forgotten. Todd Akin’s "legitimate rape" comment would be forgotten, too.
    Instead we’d be focused on bad jokes about Obama’s golf game and the fact that Mitt Romney is a businessman.

    Liberal press alert.

    The reality of supposedly educated males being so scientifically wrong is so upsetting to me as a health educator. We spend untold hours teaching one on one after most people have had some basic biology in school. We know that many women are ignorant, or perhaps unschooled is a better word, and hungry to learn about their bodies. We teach correct info. I suspect each one of you could still teach about egg fertilization even if you have worked geriatrics for the past 40 years. It is necessary to pass testing to know this.

    I believe many of these comments come from married men. They have children. Somehow our teaching is not being shared or translated or accepted by men like these. I don't know which.

    This lack of appropriate education and pushing incorrect information about the reproductive cycle needs to be stopped.


    I am unable to get rid of the space where I removed an offensive (to some) picture.
    Last edit by aknottedyarn on Sep 2, '12 : Reason: try to fix spacing.
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