What are your thoughts and opinions on government ethics?

  1. I read an opinion that quoted the Remarks of President George Herbert Walker Bush at the Swearing-in Ceremony for Members of the White House Staff on January 23, 1989.
    Walter Shaub: How to Restore Government Ethics in the Trump Era - The New York Times

    Former President Bush said:
    ... The mission is great. But it really has to be accomplished in the finest tradition of our nation: pride, honesty -- spirit of idealism when it comes to public service, knowing that our actions must always be of the highest integrity.
    It's not really very complicated. It's a question of knowing right from wrong, avoiding conflicts of interest, bending over backwards to see that there's not even a perception of conflict of interest..."
    George Bush: Remarks at the Swearing-in Ceremony for Members of the White House Staff
    Link to the U.S. Office of Government Ethics:
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  2. 21 Comments

  3. by   Lil Nel
    It is so sad, Herring, that the statement you quoted from, from the first President Bush is no longer being followed by the party of which he is a long-standing member.

    I read an article in today's NYTimes about one of the last moderate Republicans in the Texas State General Assembly. He comes from a family with ties to the Bushes. And he subscribes to this line of thinking. It may cause him to lose his job.

    The key words in Bushes' statement are public service. Too many politicians seem to not understand the concept of public service. They seem to think it is their right to enrich themselves and families at the public's expense.
  4. by   toomuchbaloney
    The current president is unrestrained by ethics or morals. His supporters approve.
  5. by   Avid reader
    I think the current crop of politicians are a reflection of what society demands. They are elected officials because you have an uneducated, gullible public who appears to be unable to differentiate real people from television personalities. When the masses have been conditioned by television and cannot distinguish between reality and entertainment, it becomes quite easy to manipulate them. Parents are unable to think for themselves and subscribe to the rubbish spouted by academics who have never lived outside of sterile academia or even lived lives. Psychiatrists and psychologists who are so obviously inadequate can dispense advice for payment and society not only allows this but it's a social distinction. How many politicians are lawyers and exactly how stupid are they. Ben Carson, a neuro surgeon and just how much of on imbecile? Michelle Bachman, a lawyer, Rick Perry a governor, Chris Christie a whale, when you allow these caliber of people to be successful role models, then the lunatics have taken over the asylum and the resultant ethics follows. This is a country where money is the benchmark for success despite how acquired. Boasting and self aggrandisement is an acceptable norm and selfies celebrated. Neither of my kids would dare practice any such behaviors without serious consequences. You are either considerate and respectful of others around me or I will quickly let you know regardless of whomever you are. My Dad is not my friend and I am not my children's. I am a parent and that's where you start learning ethics and morality, from your parents. Draw your own conclusions as to why our politicians are so bereft of ethics. We have a very broken society because we allow morons in Hollywood to teach us behaviors.
  6. by   tntrn
    Quote from Avid reader
    I think the current crop of politicians are a reflection of what society demands. They are elected officials because you have an uneducated, gullible public who appears to be unable to differentiate real people from television personalities. When the masses have been conditioned by television and cannot distinguish between reality and entertainment, it becomes quite easy to manipulate them. Parents are unable to think for themselves and subscribe to the rubbish spouted by academics who have never lived outside of sterile academia or even lived lives. Psychiatrists and psychologists who are so obviously inadequate can dispense advice for payment and society not only allows this but it's a social distinction. How many politicians are lawyers and exactly how stupid are they. Ben Carson, a neuro surgeon and just how much of on imbecile? Michelle Bachman, a lawyer, Rick Perry a governor, Chris Christie a whale, when you allow these caliber of people to be successful role models, then the lunatics have taken over the asylum and the resultant ethics follows. This is a country where money is the benchmark for success despite how acquired. Boasting and self aggrandisement is an acceptable norm and selfies celebrated. Neither of my kids would dare practice any such behaviors without serious consequences. You are either considerate and respectful of others around me or I will quickly let you know regardless of whomever you are. My Dad is not my friend and I am not my children's. I am a parent and that's where you start learning ethics and morality, from your parents. Draw your own conclusions as to why our politicians are so bereft of ethics. We have a very broken society because we allow morons in Hollywood to teach us behaviors.

    How interesting that you name only Republicans, but then blame the "morons in Hollywood to teach us behaviors?" When did the morons in Hollywood become Republicans?
  7. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from tntrn
    How interesting that you name only Republicans, but then blame the "morons in Hollywood to teach us behavio W did the morons in Hollywood become Republicans?
    It's nice that you popped in to ask a question. Maybe you have time to visit the other threads and answer the questions that were asked of you.
  8. by   Lil Nel
    No, Avid Reader, it wasn't the morons in Hollywood who taught us how to behave. It was a shrewd, Republican strategist named Roger Stone who witnessed the phenomenon of celebrity and realized that it can be harnessed to propel a celebrity political candidate (i.e., Trump). In other words, you appeal to the lowest common denominator.
  9. by   nursej22
    Quote from tntrn
    How interesting that you name only Republicans, but then blame the "morons in Hollywood to teach us behaviors?" When did the morons in Hollywood become Republicans?
    You are right, there have been plenty of corrupt Democrats in politics.

    It does seem to me, that blatant disregard for ethics has become the norm.

    And I won't lay blame solely on the entertainment industry.
  10. by   SC_RNDude
    Quote from Lil Nel
    No, Avid Reader, it wasn't the morons in Hollywood who taught us how to behave. It was a shrewd, Republican strategist named Roger Stone who witnessed the phenomenon of celebrity and realized that it can be harnessed to propel a celebrity political candidate (i.e., Trump). In other words, you appeal to the lowest common denominator.
    True. He saw how that worked for the 2008 election.
  11. by   elkpark
    Quote from SC_RNDude
    True. He saw how that worked for the 2008 election.
    He saw it long before that -- he's been involved in political "dirty tricks" since the Nixon administration. He's been working with Trump since the 1980s. Most of the people currently active in politics have likely learned whatever bad behaviors they've acquired from him, not the other way around.
    Last edit by elkpark on Jul 26
  12. by   nursej22
    Wasn't there a guy named Lee Atwater that promoted false stories about Democratic candidates during the Reagan and Bush campaigns?

    And Fox really helped the Swift
    Boat attack on Kerry.
  13. by   tntrn
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    It's nice that you popped in to ask a question. Maybe you have time to visit the other threads and answer the questions that were asked of you.

    Sorry. I am on vacation in the Bahamas, so I have little time to spare. And there is still no requirement that anybody answer anybody else's questions, is there? So answer or not....it matters little to me.
  14. by   Avid reader
    I am hoping that John McCain, now that he has nothing to lose, does the right thing as he has frequently done in the past. I want him to lambast the current crop of sycophants like McConnell, Pence and especially Ryan because he has misled the most re just how disgusting they are. I want him to call out the Republican voters for being the Hypocrites they are in voting for Trump and hopefully enlighten them how dense you have to be to be taken in by so obvious a charlatan who admits to being a crook and told them to their faces that he loves the uneducated. The evangelicals for surely the most hypocrisy ever demonstrated. The very antithesis of what they espouse.

    There are many good Republicans out there but when you embrace such a scumbag, it becomes very difficult to ever trust your judgement again. This isn't a small aberration. This is a man even before the election had reams of data as to his deformed character and then amplified his vileness during his campaign and still they voted for him. I do not forgive easily or ever forget and have quietly gone about distancing myself from my Republican friends solely because of their judgement. Their perspective is something I do not want to intrude upon mine. People are complex animals and ever changing but that is only accomplished by engaging in reality and accepting FACTS. They appear to be budding facists with the propensity to embrace far worse ideology. Something is very broken here and I truly believe it's the education system. The level of ignorance displayed by this segment of voters demonstrates that they are simply unable to think for themselves and when someone so obviously dysfunctional can sway them so easily, with possibly the worst message delivered, in the simplest of statements, then, you have to accept they are unredeemable.

    Behavior is everything!!!! EVERYTHING!!!!

    Words mean absolutely nothing unless backed up with actions. Trump has openly demonstrated, truthfully I dare say, that he is unfit for any human gathering or even interaction due to his limited vocabulary and still they embraced him. Personally, I absolutely adore Trump for exposing the lies we have been fed re our wonderful Constitution and Govt checks. Words mean nothing because Trump's behaviors have made a mockery of our institutions and shown what a bunch of clowns we are.

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