U.S. should automatically register voters - page 3

Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:09am EST (Reuters) - Attorney General Eric Holder said on Tuesday that U.S. election officials should register eligible voters automatically and take steps to... Read More

  1. Visit  Spidey's mom} profile page
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    Quote from Jolie
    There is nothing automatic about being "registered" for a SS# based upon the recording of a live birth. Back in the olden days of our youth, most families didn't bother applying for SS numbers for their children until they were teens, preparing to work or drive.

    Now, parents must have a SS# to claim their child as a dependent for tax purposes, so most apply at birth, and most hospitals accomodate this process by forwarding information to both the recorder of vital statistics (for the birth certificate) and the SS Administration. But the application for a SS# is not required at birth, and not automatic. The parents must request it (or at least OK it) and they may choose not to pursue it at birth.

    Registering a newborn child to vote is a waste of time and an invitation for fraud. The likelihood of that individual living in the same household 18 years later is almost nil, so there is very little likelihood that the registration would be current and valid by the time the child is eligible to vote. In the meantime, the listing would be open to fraud and identity theft. Crooks love to prey on identity information of young children because the likelihood of being discovered is very small.
    You are exactly right - as a former L&D nurse, I know you can give parents the info but no one is automatically registered and the parents do not have to sign their kiddo up then.
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  3. Visit  aknottedyarn} profile page
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    How do you see voting? Is it a right? a privilege? a responsibility?
  4. Visit  Spidey's mom} profile page
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    Interesting . . found this:

    FairVote.org | Voting: A Right, A Privilege, or A Responsibility?

    It isn't an easy question you're asking aky.
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    Quote from Spidey's mom
    Interesting . . found this:

    FairVote.org | Voting: A Right, A Privilege, or A Responsibility?

    It isn't an easy question you're asking aky.
    That is why I asked. People have responses based on how they view voting. I think it actually is a great question. I had not read the article until after asking the question.
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  6. Visit  tewdles} profile page
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    I believe it is all three when living in a free democratic republic...
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    Quote from tntrn
    How would this be accomplished? And then what? Force them to vote also?
    Uh in some countries, people are automatically registered to vote when they get their Driver license or national ID cards.. its been so for decades...but What a REVOLUTIONARY Idea for USA! . In Australia and some other democratic countries people are REQUIRED to vote by LAW. their voter turn out is usually in the 80 to 90s percentile. With a average 50% voter turn out in USA its just bad for the country, nothing is moving forward because one side just blocks the other and vise versa and the country has no momentum for the future.

    Compulsory Voting
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  8. Visit  tntrn} profile page
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    How can we claim to be a free country and then force people to vote? What is the punishment if they do not? What if they do not because of religious beliefs? IF people were all informed I would be much more likely to consider it, but many are not....that is evident by "interviews" by people who want to skewer both sides. Some people don't even know who is running or who the running mates are.....what valid input on the "will of the people" is provided by encouraging or forcing these people to help make very important decisions?
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    Quote from aknottedyarn
    How do you see voting? Is it a right? a privilege? a responsibility?
    I think I've found my argument topic. This is a great question.
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    Quote from tntrn
    How can we claim to be a free country and then force people to vote? What is the punishment if they do not? What if they do not because of religious beliefs? IF people were all informed I would be much more likely to consider it, but many are not....that is evident by "interviews" by people who want to skewer both sides. Some people don't even know who is running or who the running mates are.....what valid input on the "will of the people" is provided by encouraging or forcing these people to help make very important decisions?
    I read man-nurse2b's link - apparently the penalty for not voting is a fine, which if that is anything like similar fines here will eventually escalate to jail time and loss of personal property if you don't pay it. It would be really unwieldy and expensive to create the bureaucracy to enforce compulsory voting.

    I do have to say though, that while we don't have compulsory voting, being a registered voter involves compulsory jury duty, or the furnishing of a valid excuse. I know someone who ignored all their jury summons to the point they were facing a $1200 fine. I'm sure there must be another punishment for not paying that, such as attachment of a tax refund. To me that's like punishing somebody for voluntarily performing their civic duty. Don't want the hassle, don't register to vote -- could be the end result there.
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    Many jurisdictions have revised their sources of potential jurors for just this reason. In my state, anyone with a driver's license, anyone who files a state income tax return, and possibly other groups are considered for jury duty.

    I realize the inconvenience of this. I've been summoned 3 times. Twice I spent the better part of a week waasting time in a jury room, never called for a trial, then was dismissed. The third time, I requested an exemption due to medical treatment. It was a valid reason, and the judge simply excused me rather than deferring for one year.

    I am now preparing for a month of grand jury duty. Not looking forward to it, but don't believe it is right to try and get out of it for my own convenience.
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    Quote from Jolie
    Many jurisdictions have revised their sources of potential jurors for just this reason. In my state, anyone with a driver's license, anyone who files a state income tax return, and possibly other groups are considered for jury duty.

    I realize the inconvenience of this. I've been summoned 3 times. Twice I spent the better part of a week waasting time in a jury room, never called for a trial, then was dismissed. The third time, I requested an exemption due to medical treatment. It was a valid reason, and the judge simply excused me rather than deferring for one year.

    I am now preparing for a month of grand jury duty. Not looking forward to it, but don't believe it is right to try and get out of it for my own convenience.
    I want to serve on a jury. I know that probably makes me a weirdo, but what the heck. I was all set to serve in Boulder County when I lived there, but the man waived his right to a jury trial at the last minute. Last time I had to wait around all day only to be sent home, but they had a kick*ss jury room with wi-fi, decent vending machines and magazines that weren't a 2007 copy of Bass Fisherman's Digest. May you have an interesting experience!
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    Quote from man-nurse2b
    Uh in some countries, people are automatically registered to vote when they get their Driver license or national ID cards.. its been so for decades...but What a REVOLUTIONARY Idea for USA! . In Australia and some other democratic countries people are REQUIRED to vote by LAW. their voter turn out is usually in the 80 to 90s percentile. With a average 50% voter turn out in USA its just bad for the country, nothing is moving forward because one side just blocks the other and vise versa and the country has no momentum for the future.

    Compulsory Voting
    Surely you are not advocating compulsory voting. Do you really think that forcing people that don't care enough to vote is a good idea. Do you think those that don't care enough to vote will care enough to actually learn what the positions are for the candidates? Talk about a bunch of uninformed voters. We already have enough of them voting as it is.
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    Quote from nursel56
    I want to serve on a jury. I know that probably makes me a weirdo, but what the heck. I was all set to serve in Boulder County when I lived there, but the man waived his right to a jury trial at the last minute. Last time I had to wait around all day only to be sent home, but they had a kick*ss jury room with wi-fi, decent vending machines and magazines that weren't a 2007 copy of Bass Fisherman's Digest. May you have an interesting experience!
    Here is some advice if you want to serve on a jury... Act like you are an imbecile. If you show any knowledge you will be dismissed.

    The second time I was called for jury duty it was for criminal court. I was one of the people called for selection of a murder trial. I thought this could be interesting. The defense attorney asked who in the jury pool knew the difference in the operation of a revolver and a semi-automatic handgun. Five men, myself included, raised our hands. All five of us were immediately dismissed. That shows they don't want fair trials, they just want 12 idiots sitting on the jury.


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