U.S. should automatically register voters - page 2

Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:09am EST (Reuters) - Attorney General Eric Holder said on Tuesday that U.S. election officials should register eligible voters automatically and take steps to... Read More

  1. Visit  Miiki profile page
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    Quote from Jolie
    Many states do not charge for non-driver's license state IDs.
    Oh ok. My state requires ID at the poll and does not provide no-cost ID. Most of the states with voter ID laws have provisions that let you sign an affidavit and vote without ID. Some leave it like that and some require a follow up with ID.
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  3. Visit  StNeotser profile page
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    I'm of the opinion that if you can't make the effort to register, it shouldn't be done for you. Nor should voting ever be mandatory. I also think that registering to vote and the process itself should be made as easy as possible. Personally I vote by mail in ballot because I could never be sure that I wouldn't be scheduled for a 12 hour shift on election day. Yeah, I know they say your employer is required to give you time off to vote, but I'd hate to be the floor nurse with 10 patients that asked............

    I realize that early voting and mail in ballots are not an option in some states and districts and I think that options other than waiting in line on the day should be available to all voters in every state.
  4. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Isn't saying anything about "making an effort" imposing an arbitrary value standard on a constitutional right? Personally, it bugs me that my vote as someone who attempts to study all the issues diligently counts for exactly the same thing as someone who doesn't, but that's our system. We can only use our power to persuade.
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  5. Visit  Spidey's mom profile page
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    StNeotser - I'm of the opinion that if you can't make the effort to register, it shouldn't be done for you. Nor should voting ever be mandatory.
    I agree . . it smacks of parents doing their kid's homework.

    It isn't hard to register to vote - you just have to be interested enough to do so.

    And I taught and am teaching my children about how important it is to vote. I've taken them all with me to vote. They got to wear the sticker "I voted". We talk about politics and laws and many other things so they are well-informed.

    All my adult kids registered - the paperwork came in the mail and they mailed it back. But you know what? Only one of my adult kids has ever voted. Two are not interested.

    No matter what you do, the folks who really want to vote . . .will vote. This should never ever be mandated.

    It is too important.
  6. Visit  StNeotser profile page
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    Quote from nursel56
    Isn't saying anything about "making an effort" imposing an arbitrary value standard on a constitutional right? Personally, it bugs me that my vote as someone who attempts to study all the issues diligently counts for exactly the same thing as someone who doesn't, but that's our system. We can only use our power to persuade.
    Yes, but that arbitrary value on a constitutional right...........well of course the person who attempts to study all the issues diligently is also the person who prior to doing so registers to vote, surely? I'd really like to hear from some of the Australian nurses input here. In Australia there is a mandate to vote, and I'd love to hear what they think of it.
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  7. Visit  tntrn profile page
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    And then there are those who are incapable of making any decisions for themselves, financially, medically, personally who are driven to the polls and "assisted" in voting. How informed can they be?
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  8. Visit  Jolie profile page
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    Quote from tewdles
    Why not?
    If you are born in the country you get a certificate of live birth, you get registered for a SS number, why not get registered to vote as well?
    There is nothing automatic about being "registered" for a SS# based upon the recording of a live birth. Back in the olden days of our youth, most families didn't bother applying for SS numbers for their children until they were teens, preparing to work or drive.

    Now, parents must have a SS# to claim their child as a dependent for tax purposes, so most apply at birth, and most hospitals accomodate this process by forwarding information to both the recorder of vital statistics (for the birth certificate) and the SS Administration. But the application for a SS# is not required at birth, and not automatic. The parents must request it (or at least OK it) and they may choose not to pursue it at birth.

    Registering a newborn child to vote is a waste of time and an invitation for fraud. The likelihood of that individual living in the same household 18 years later is almost nil, so there is very little likelihood that the registration would be current and valid by the time the child is eligible to vote. In the meantime, the listing would be open to fraud and identity theft. Crooks love to prey on identity information of young children because the likelihood of being discovered is very small.
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  9. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Quote from StNeotser
    Yes, but that arbitrary value on a constitutional right...........well of course the person who attempts to study all the issues diligently is also the person who prior to doing so registers to vote, surely? I'd really like to hear from some of the Australian nurses input here. In Australia there is a mandate to vote, and I'd love to hear what they think of it.
    Quote from tntrn
    And then there are those who are incapable of making any decisions for themselves, financially, medically, personally who are driven to the polls and "assisted" in voting. How informed can they be?
    We may not like how someone arrives at the polls. We may think it's horrible that "get out the vote" campaigns make it possible for some citizens to vote that we may not feel have earned that right as much as we think we have. However, a constitutional right is conferred on a citizen with no "strings" attached. They don't need to to prove their worthiness to anyone. I guess a few incompetent people who haven't been declared such by the courts may figure out how to get to the polls and navigate the ballot system at their local polling place. A few drunk, angry, high, and emotionally disturbed people probably do the same. It isn't a perfect system, but with the right to vote I think we need to be as inclusive as possible. The numbers are such that even now voter turnout is relatively low in this country, especially for off-year and local elections.

    If you do it even a little bit, it opens the door that will ultimately result in disenfranchisement of some people. Like I said, I wish the electorate were more informed, but it's up to each citizen to decide that for themselves.
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  10. Visit  Kooky Korky profile page
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    I think we should not give government any more access to databases than it already has.
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  11. Visit  workingharder profile page
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    Automatic registration for all eligible citizens will not change things. Those who want to vote will still do so, those who don't, won't. If increasing voter turn out is the goal, than include on every ballot item an option for, "None of the Above".
  12. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    That's true, I think. I remember the hysteria surrounding "Motor Voter" here in California. None of the scenarios panned out, and people who normally vote voted, and people who normally don't didn't. It had nil effect on the total picture.
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  13. Visit  azhiker96 profile page
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    Why even bother with registration? When we help people vote in other countries we don't bother with registrations. Instead, voters dip a finger in indelible ink. Just open the polls and get a few gallons of purple ink. No id needed to vote, just clean fingers.
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  14. Visit  Spidey's mom profile page
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    Quote from nursel56
    The numbers are such that even now voter turnout is relatively low in this country, especially for off-year and local elections.

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    Most of that is because people p.o.'d and are giving up. Throwing their hands in the air in frustration and just not voting.

    "What's the use?" is what I hear all the time from registered voters who did not vote in the last few elections. They lump all politicians in the same leaky boat - Congress has some of the lowest ratings ever.

    There is no Utopia . . we can't force people to act a certain way or do things the way we want them to no matter how many laws we pass. Or things we think we have to mandate to get them to do the right thing and VOTE.
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