U.S. lawyers for Iraqis sue to block Trump immigration order - page 3

The lawyers from numerous immigration organizations and the American Civil Liberties Union sued in federal court in Brooklyn, New York, on behalf of two Iraqi men, one a former U.S. government worker... Read More

  1. by   tntrn
  2. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Lil Nel
    How about the Muslim Travel Ban executive order that he signed on Friday? Please don't tell me you haven't heard about it. It has been covered in the news for a solid 48 hours.
    I've been watching this all weekend - back and forth on my FB page between my conservative and liberal friends. People are uninformed, including myself, so I went looking.

    "Let's confuse everyone with some facts amid all the shrieking. "

    Donald Trump’s Refugee Executive Order: No Muslim Ban -- Separating Fact from Hysteria | National Review
  3. by   Markperry
    Quote from Elvish
    Because, unless I woke up this morning in Stasiland, people are free to move in and out of here as they see fit. Because they have families to go visit. Because they want to vacation. Who the hell knows, and more importantly....in a free country, who the hell cares? My husband has family abroad that he likes to go visit on occasion. Why is is any of your damn business where he goes, when, or why?

    The freedom y'all like to crow about is apparently only for you, not for everyone else.
    Incorrect.

    People are not free to enter the USA at will. Anybody with a Greencard that is Legal Permanent Residence is not freely granted entry into the USA. They may be screened at the Port of Entry usually being an airport and if they don't satisfy CPB (Immigration) and they will not be let in. Every time you leave the country as a Non US Citizen you have a chance of not being let back in. Leave the USA for more than 1 year and they will not let you back in, and will determine you gave up your US residence.

    People come here everyday with visa and Tourist Visa and get turned away at the airport or International crossing area since they don't satisfy immigration.

    There is no such thing as free movement into the USA if you have a Greencard.
  4. by   ElvishDNP
    Quote from Markperry
    Incorrect.

    People are not free to enter the USA at will. Anybody with a Greencard that is Legal Permanent Residence is not freely granted entry into the USA. They may be screened at the Port of Entry usually being an airport and if they don't satisfy CPB (Immigration) and they will not be let in. Every time you leave the country as a Non US Citizen you have a chance of not being let back in. Leave the USA for more than 1 year and they will not let you back in, and will determine you gave up your US residence.

    People come here everyday with visa and Tourist Visa and get turned away at the airport or International crossing area since they don't satisfy immigration.

    There is no such thing as free movement into the USA if you have a Greencard.
    You don't have to mansplain the immigration process to me. My husband and I spent 15 years working through it, and he holds a green card, which he has used multiple times to leave and come back.

    The point I was trying to make is that greencard holders don't leave here with a reason to suspect that they'll not be readmitted when they touch down on US soil, nor is it a requirement that they never leave the US. You were the one who suggested they should've never left in the first place, which is not in keeping with immigration or CBP policy. And certainly not indicative of a free society. So, unless we now live in Stasiland, which St. Reagan worked to defeat, people can still leave here and reasonably expect they'll be let back in.

    Y'all were the ones who crowed for years - decades, even - that it wasn't legal immigration that was the problem. Until it was, and you're still blaming the immigrants. QED.
  5. by   rnmaybe
    Apparently it did have to be explained to you judging by your comment.

    Quote from Elvish
    You don't have to mansplain the immigration process to me. My husband and I spent 15 years working through it, and he holds a green card, which he has used multiple times to leave and come back.

    The point I was trying to make is that greencard holders don't leave here with a reason to suspect that they'll not be readmitted when they touch down on US soil, nor is it a requirement that they never leave the US. You were the one who suggested they should've never left in the first place, which is not in keeping with immigration or CBP policy. And certainly not indicative of a free society. So, unless we now live in Stasiland, which St. Reagan worked to defeat, people can still leave here and reasonably expect they'll be let back in.

    Y'all were the ones who crowed for years - decades, even - that it wasn't legal immigration that was the problem. Until it was, and you're still blaming the immigrants. QED.
  6. by   Markperry
    Quote from Elvish
    The point I was trying to make is that greencard holders don't leave here with a reason to suspect that they'll not be readmitted when they touch down on US soil, nor is it a requirement that they never leave the US. You were the one who suggested they should've never left in the first place, which is not in keeping with immigration or CBP policy. And certainly not indicative of a free society. So, unless we now live in Stasiland, which St. Reagan worked to defeat, people can still leave here and reasonably expect they'll be let back in.
    .
    I would think anyone from an area in Middle East with a ISIS presence in their country and causing problems would be stupid to travel outside of USA at the moment.

    In case you didn't catch it yet, Trump fired the Attorney General and Obama appointee and he also fired the USCIS acting director. As of right now if I was green card holder from any Middle Eastern country that his majority muslim, No way I would leave the USA.

    We are just one terror attack away from having Trump close border to certain countries.
  7. by   heron
    What you are ignoring, markperry, is that ISIS is on the run on the ground and has been for a while. Their main threat now is via radicalizing people "in place" via internet proselytizing. And Donald Bannon-Trump just handed them a major propaganda tool with which to do that.

    Propaganda wars depend on moral authority and what little we had had has just been squandered. Trashing refugees, legal foreign workers and Muslims who risked their lives to help the US proves our enemies' point for them: that the US is a greedy behemoth that will use anyone it can to make itself richer, then throw them to the wolves when they are no longer useful.

    That's no accident, in my opinion. Bannon has long called for a "holy war" against Islam and now he's in a position to make sure that it happens. And you stupid fools handed Trump-Bannon the nuclear codes of the only country that ever dropped a nuclear bomb.
  8. by   heron
    Wanted to add a thought to my previous post: not buying that the travel ban had anything to do with terrorism. If it did, it would include countries that actually committed a terrorist attack in the US. It doesn't. In my opinion, it was a deliberate attempt to provoke violence and retaliation, a la ISiS atrocities intended to keep the US (with its money and immense propaganda value) involved in a Middle East war.

    Sales of 1984 have reportedly skyrocketed. A sub theme of the book is the role of ginned-up wars in keeping the rabble in line.

    Make no mistake: this was a deliberate move promoted and inspired, at least in part, by a megalomaniac white Christian supremacist who dreams of Judeo-Christian capitalism (Bannon's words, not mine) taking over the world.
  9. by   Tweety
    I know this is off topic, but here's a list of mass shootings/murders in the US in January. I wish he and conservatives would take a look at this and be as aggressive in addressing these issues as they are terrorist attacks, which while they exist, are still few and far between compared tot his. To me it's a bit hypocritical for people to praise him for wanting to keep America safe while this is going on.

    Mass Shootings - 217 | Gun Violence Archive

    I think that legal immigrants and families that have gone through the motions, checks and balances and just happen to be traveling and caught in the cross-fire should be let in. We're so anti-illegal immigrant, and I get that, but these are legal immigrants that just happen to be Muslim. Let them in.
  10. by   conservativeprof
    Quote from heron
    And you stupid fools handed Trump-Bannon the nuclear codes of the only country that ever dropped a nuclear bomb.
    So, let me get this right.... calling everyone who voted for President Trump "stupid fools" is okay with the Terms of Service? Why even have terms of service, pray tell?
  11. by   Markperry
    Quote from heron
    What you are ignoring, markperry, is that ISIS is on the run on the ground and has been for a while. Their main threat now is via radicalizing people "in place" via internet proselytizing. And Donald Bannon-Trump just handed them a major propaganda tool with which to do that.

    Propaganda wars depend on moral authority and what little we had had has just been squandered. Trashing refugees, legal foreign workers and Muslims who risked their lives to help the US proves our enemies' point for them: that the US is a greedy behemoth that will use anyone it can to make itself richer, then throw them to the wolves when they are no longer useful.

    That's no accident, in my opinion. Bannon has long called for a "holy war" against Islam and now he's in a position to make sure that it happens. And you stupid fools handed Trump-Bannon the nuclear codes of the only country that ever dropped a nuclear bomb.
    What about Muslim Sympathizer Obama who called ISIS a JV team?

    What about Dumbo giving Iran millions and miliions of dollars on a pallet?

    Under Obama his plan was to stick his head in the ground and not disturb his Muslim brothers, now we have to go out and try to clean up his mess.

    It is no doubt under Obama's watch, the world became a much more dangerous place.
  12. by   toomuchbaloney
    Immigrants and refugees are more precisely vetted than were Bannon or any of Trump's cabinet nominees.
  13. by   herring_RN
    Like former President Obama I too am heartened. I especially like that so many are raising their spirits singing my favorite song.
    Obama 'heartened' by protests, spokesman says
    "Citizens exercising their Constitutional right to assemble, organize and have their voices heard by their elected officials is exactly what we expect to see when American values are at stake."
    Obama 'heartened' by protests, spokesman says | TheHill





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