Thoughts on Vegas And why Men Keep Doing This

  1. America has been awash in guns for a very long time, yet mass shooting are a fairly recent phenomenon. I'm not the only one who has realized it's always men.
    Very interesting read that in some ways points put the obvious, but is insightfull in others.

    Thoughts on Vegas, and Why Men Keep Doing This – Be Yourself
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  2. 26 Comments

  3. by   toomuchbaloney
    White males are lonely and don't play enough?

    OK

    Meanwhile, we are cool with them having weapons of mass murder to get a little fun in their lives. Maybe the next killer will invite a friend to join in, like in Columbine.

    Seriously, the insight is interesting but not very helpful if we are not interested in disarming these dangerous fellows. IMHO

    So, nothing will change and we will have another bloody sacrifice to honor our 2nd amendment rights.
  4. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    White males are lonely and don't play enough?

    OK

    Meanwhile, we are cool with them having weapons of mass murder to get a little fun in their lives. Maybe the next killer will invite a friend to join in, like in Columbine.

    Seriously, the insight is interesting but not very helpful if we are not interested in disarming these dangerous fellows. IMHO

    So, nothing will change and we will have another bloody sacrifice to honor our 2nd amendment rights.
    I remember 1995 and the Oklahoma City Bombing. It's worth exploring the root causes because, once stricter gun regulations are passed, you are still left with all the other available tools of mass murder.
  5. by   nursej22
    Obviously, mass shooting have many causes and it would be short-sighted to address one and ignore the others.

    That's why I think Congress should do an in-depth study and allow the CDC to actually study shootings, including school shootings and death by toddler, and police shootings. As far as I know, there is no national data base that compiles law enforcement shootings, including justified ones.

    Of course, I feel there is little hope in today's climate, and with the current Attorney General that any meaningful changes will come about. He is too worried about Dreamers and affirmative action. I'll bet if NFL players took the field with firearms instead of kneeling there would be a whole lot of laws changed, real fast.

    I have thought for a long time that we don't allow kids to just be kids, and to play without structure.
  6. by   toomuchbaloney
    Do you think Republican law makers will let the CDC conduct and fund comprehensive research and study into American gun violence?

    I don't.

    Credible research and study might reveal areas for reform and regulations, just like with other issues and the going Republican narrative is that this can't be fixed by regulation.
  7. by   toomuchbaloney
    Why do they keep doing this in America?
    Because they can.
  8. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Do you think Republican law makers will let the CDC conduct and fund comprehensive research and study into American gun violence?

    I don't.

    Credible research and study might reveal areas for reform and regulations, just like with other issues and the going Republican narrative is that this can't be fixed by regulation.
    The NRA has blocked the CDCs ability to study anything having to do with gun violence. Of course, lawmakers bought and paid for by the NRA made sure that the CDC is prevented from doing such research.

    Tell me again that the NRA isn't a lobby group for gun manufacturers!
  9. by   Lil Nel
    Everything in the above opinion piece has been well documented. But to try and use these things to help explain mass shootings is laughable.

    Where in this piece is the simple fact that men are competitive and violent? Where is the copycat element (which goes hand in hand with competition)?

    Where in this piece is the idea that Hollywood has made a fortune out of glamorizing gun violence, and so entire generations have grown-up thinking they too can be Rambo or Arnold?

    Where in this piece is the idea that ALL of us, men and women feel more and helpless in everyday life due to the widening economic and educational gap? This is nothing more than an over-simplification of a problem that goes back much further than Columbine.

    The shooters at Columbine weren't even born when the gentleman climbed into the Bell Tower at the University of Texas in Austin and started shooting.

    Poor, poor lonely White males. If we are to believe this piece, than perhaps all White males should be viewed as having Personality Disorders, and therefore ruled ineligible for gun ownership.
  10. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from PMFB-RN
    I remember 1995 and the Oklahoma City Bombing. It's worth exploring the root causes because, once stricter gun regulations are passed, you are still left with all the other available tools of mass murder.
    I remember the Oklahoma City bombing too. You think Timothy McVey was lonely? He seemed to have a friend in the guy who helped him plan the massacre.

    I remember his beef being with the federal government (which is way he bombed the building he bombed). I believe his beef with the federal government went back to Ruby Ridge.

    Lots of conservative gun wackos go back to Ruby Ridge to defend their views.
  11. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from Lil Nel
    I remember the Oklahoma City bombing too. You think Timothy McVey was lonely? He seemed to have a friend in the guy who helped him plan the massacre.

    I remember his beef being with the federal government (which is way he bombed the building he bombed). I believe his beef with the federal government went back to Ruby Ridge.

    Lots of conservative gun wackos go back to Ruby Ridge to defend their views.

    You missed my point. OKC showed what else was possible in terms of tools of mass murder.
    Seems a multifaceted approach, with stricter gun regulations as one part, should be considered.
  12. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    Do you think Republican law makers will let the CDC conduct and fund comprehensive research and study into American gun violence?

    I don't.

    Credible research and study might reveal areas for reform and regulations, just like with other issues and the going Republican narrative is that this can't be fixed by regulation.
    No, of course they won't, at least not in the current political climate.
    That's why the target should be the NRA, or more specifically it's member base. Change minds. Of course there is the core group whose minds can't be changed, but many others can be. You yourself mentioned you know some former members, something happened to make them abandon the NRA.
  13. by   Lil Nel
    I guess I missed the point PMFB-RN because it seems so obvious. Of course human beings will still have access to all kinds of weapons, or everyday objects that can be used as weapons.

    If I were a terrorist, I would use the simplest of objects to inflict the most harm and terror.

    But just because folks still have access to these things doesn't mean that we, as a society, should make it easy for people to have access to the easiest of weapons: Guns.
  14. by   toomuchbaloney
    Oh, right, except the NRA is just representing the concerns of their membership, right? Isn't that what you told me in another thread?

    The NRA isn't trying to sell more guns advertised as a way to reclaim a man card or perceived masculinity, right? The NRA isn't indoctrinating weak minded american men into accepting routine mass murder as an acceptable cost to THEIR freedom to own a weapon capable of murdering dozens in but a moment, right? And the dollars spent to purchase the loyalty of legislators isn't representative of the wishes of privately held arms manufacturers, no, that lobby money represents individuals like those NRA members who were in attendance on the Vegas killing field, right?

    Nah.

    This country approves of meaningful gun regulation. The problem is that our Congress represents the NRA, not their victims. This is more and more obvious. Corporate interests are much more important to Republican legislators than life.

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