Thoughts on Vegas And why Men Keep Doing This - page 2

America has been awash in guns for a very long time, yet mass shooting are a fairly recent phenomenon. I'm not the only one who has realized it's always men. Very interesting read that in some... Read More

  1. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from toomuchbaloney
    The NRA isn't trying to sell more guns advertised as a way to reclaim a man card or perceived masculinity, right? The NRA isn't indoctrinating weak minded american men into accepting routine mass murder as an acceptable cost to THEIR freedom to own a weapon capable of murdering dozens in but a moment, right? And the dollars spent to purchase the loyalty of legislators isn't representative of the wishes of privately held arms manufacturers, no, that lobby money represents individuals like those NRA members who were in attendance on the Vegas killing field, right?
    This is a great example of what I was talking about before. People's words and actions are inconsistent with their stated goals.
    Hyperbole like this is a a big part of why meaningful gun regulations haven't been passed in decades.
  2. by   toomuchbaloney
    Quote from PMFB-RN
    This is a great example of what I was talking about before. People's words and actions are inconsistent with their stated goals.
    Hyperbole like this is a a big part of why meaningful gun regulations haven't been passed in decades.
    You didn't answer the questions.

    Gun regulations aren't passed because the NRA purchased Republican party won't permit it.

    Nice spin though for someone who can't decide if the NRA simply represents the members or is deserving of some sort of boycott.
  3. by   heron
    To return to the article posted in the OP, it seems to be describing elements of what many of us refer to as toxic masculinity. It kind of tiptoes around the subject and never addresses the other roots of the rage that arises from the emotional isolation and depression that plague men in our culture (i.e. entitlement, rape culture, dehumanization of women as the original "other") A subject for another thread, I think.

    That being said, those of us who have worked on domestic violence are familiar with the concept of the rage junkie. Violence is an addiction and while one needs eventually to address the underlying issues, the first step must be to stop indulging the addiction.
  4. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from PMFB-RN
    This is a great example of what I was talking about before. People's words and actions are inconsistent with their stated goals.
    Hyperbole like this is a a big part of why meaningful gun regulations haven't been passed in decades.
    You are wrong. The reason why meaningful gun regulations hasn't been passed in years is because the Republican Party is basically an arm of the terrorist group called the NRA.

    Again, look at the list of lawmakers who received the largest sum of money from the NRA. You never did venture a guess as to which political party they belong to.

    The NRA markets to, and feeds the paranoia of weak-minded White males. The NRA depends on the weak-minded White males and their paranoia to continue it's mission.

    Again, we will never agree on this issue, PMFB-RN.
  5. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from Lil Nel
    You are wrong. The reason why meaningful gun regulations hasn't been passed in years is because the Republican Party is basically an arm of the terrorist group called the NRA.

    Again, look at the list of lawmakers who received the largest sum of money from the NRA. You never did venture a guess as to which political party they belong to.

    The NRA markets to, and feeds the paranoia of weak-minded White males. The NRA depends on the weak-minded White males and their paranoia to continue it's mission.

    Again, we will never agree on this issue, PMFB-RN.
    I know, and gun control measures will continue to fail.
  6. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from PMFB-RN
    I know, and gun control measures will continue to fail.
    That may be, and that will be unfortunate because more innocent people will die senseless deaths.

    Of course, the NRA and lawmakers who are its sympathizers will also come under closer scrutiny and be made to answer for THEIR actions, or lack of action.

    If this sits well with a subset of Americans, so be it. And when the violence touches their lives, as it will, I hope they feel good about it. I hope they revel in it, and don't suddenly turn tail on their prior beliefs.

    There are some issues in life that are complicated. This isn't one of them one. I have little empathy for people who can't make peace with the world that they have helped to create.

    My conscience is clear.
  7. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from Lil Nel
    That may be, and that will be unfortunate because more innocent people will die senseless deaths.
    Have it the way you wish. I'll continue to work to try to prevent such atrocities.
  8. by   Lil Nel
    Quote from PMFB-RN
    Have it the way you wish. I'll continue to work to try to prevent such atrocities.
    And so will I! At least we can agree up on that.

    There is more than one way to approach a problem, and so it is probably good that we take different approaches.

    You may not agree with mine, but that isn't my concern.
  9. by   Lil Nel
    Did anybody watch SNL last night? I had to work, but pulled this from the NYTimes. It is hilarious, and so TRUE!

    The co-anchors Colin Jost and Michael Che both delivered pointed comic monologues that advocated for gun control.
    Mr. Jost opened the segment by saying, “The investigation into the tragedy in Las Vegas this week has sparked a larger debate in America, between people who want common-sense gun control, and people who are wrong.”
    He continued:
    This shouldn’t be a partisan issue. The guy had 47 guns. No one should own 47 of anything. If you own 47 cats, you are not a responsible pet owner, you’re a crazy cat lady. And unlike with guns, the government will actually come and take your cats away because everyone agrees that’s insane. Also, this guy bought 33 of his guns in the past year, and that didn’t set off any kind of alert? If I buy $100 worth of Chick-fil-A, I get a text message from my bank that says, ‘Did you just purchase $100 worth of Chick-fil-A? Please, Colin, tell us this is fraud.’ How is no one keeping track of how many guns people own? There is a real law in Texas that says it’s illegal to own more than six dildos. And I get why. No one needs that many. If you have more than six dildos, it’s a clear sign you are training for something awful.
  10. by   toomuchbaloney
    I also thought the humor was spot on. It wasa good episode.
  11. by   Lil Nel
    This is from today's NY Daily News. It appears as though the only folks NOT blamed for the latest massacre are lonely White males. The article also states the LaPierre earned over $5 million in 2015.

    How much are those NRA dues???? Anybody who tries to argue that the NRA isn't largely funded by gun manufacturers to act as their lobbyist is spreading false propaganda, aka a LIE.

    NRA leader Wayne LaPierre will target anyone for blame over the Las Vegas massacre — except himself.
    In a rare television interview on Sunday, the nation’s top gun lobby activist blamed “elites,” Hollywood, video games, federal law enforcement and former President Barack Obama for mass shootings like the Vegas rampage.
    But he said nothing about the National Rifle Association’s role in mowing down new gun laws, and he wouldn’t commit to supporting any legislation after Vegas.
    “There are menaces out there every day. People want to be able to protect themselves,” LaPierre told CBS News’ “Face The Nation.”
  12. by   Lil Nel
    This is from an opinion piece in today's Washington Post. It seem as though I am not the only one who sees the benefit in boycotting states with weak guns laws! And because men have been hit hard by unemployment, this should be a real wake-up call! Read the full article on the Post.


    Those states should now be faced with a choice: They can have assault weapons and gun show loopholes. Or they can have good jobs and events from responsible corporations. But they can’t have both.
    Imagine if chief executives looking out for the safety of their employees and conference attendees announced that they would locate new facilities and hold conventions, concerts and other gatherings only in “gun responsible” states (which different companies could define differently). We might see activity overnight in several state legislatures.
    Moving the debate over “gun safety” (a preferable term to “gun control”) to the states is not ideal. Gun violence is a national problem and deserves a national remedy. And the Swiss-cheese map caused by differing state laws undermines efforts to protect the public. For example, the guns used by gangs in Chicago largely come from across the state line with Indiana, which has looser gun laws than Illinois.
  13. by   Farawyn
    Quote from Lil Nel
    Did anybody watch SNL last night? I had to work, but pulled this from the NYTimes. It is hilarious, and so TRUE!

    The co-anchors Colin Jost and Michael Che both delivered pointed comic monologues that advocated for gun control.
    Mr. Jost opened the segment by saying, "The investigation into the tragedy in Las Vegas this week has sparked a larger debate in America, between people who want common-sense gun control, and people who are wrong."
    He continued:
    This shouldn't be a partisan issue. The guy had 47 guns. No one should own 47 of anything. If you own 47 cats, you are not a responsible pet owner, you're a crazy cat lady. And unlike with guns, the government will actually come and take your cats away because everyone agrees that's insane. Also, this guy bought 33 of his guns in the past year, and that didn't set off any kind of alert? If I buy $100 worth of Chick-fil-A, I get a text message from my bank that says, ‘Did you just purchase $100 worth of Chick-fil-A? Please, Colin, tell us this is fraud.' How is no one keeping track of how many guns people own? There is a real law in Texas that says it's illegal to own more than six dildos. And I get why. No one needs that many. If you have more than six dildos, it's a clear sign you are training for something awful.
    ...or wonderful!!!

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