The VP Debate: "bunch of malarkey..."
1What did you think about the VP Debate? Who won? What was your favorite moment?
As the candidates segued to domestic issues, Biden went after the Romney/Ryan ticket for being on the side of fat cats. "They continue to put the interest of millionaires and billionaires ... ahead of the military and middle class," Biden said.
In response--and attempting to defend Romney's controversial 47 percent remark--Ryan said (to laughter), "I think the vice president knows, sometimes the words don't always come out of your mouth the way you want."
"But I always say what I mean," Biden retorted with a grin.
The vice president did seem to say what he meant for much of the debate, even looking straight at the camera and addressing viewers directly.
3Oct 12, '12 by aknottedyarnI agree about Martha Raddatz, she was great. I thought Joe was on target and showed the passion that was lacking in Obama. I liked his steadfastness about Afghanistan. We will be out. No pussyfooting about if... That is one huge thing I take away from the debate: The president puts our troops out of harm's way as quickly as possible. Ryan failed to score any points about the draw down now as our troops are replaced. I think anyone who has children in the teen years would be glad to hear this.
I felt the Syria issues could have had more play time. That and Iran really need to be openly discussed. I think Joe showed his leadership when he was able to talk about the change in stories thata have taken place since the ambassador's and the other deaths. He is privy to many facts that he cannot discuss and he seemed able to share enough to show to those who wanted to hear what was known at the beginning and where things stand now.
Ryan was stupid to bring up the car crash. He also failed to make any points as to how the magic budget formula would work. He could not or would not list any cut in deductions for the middle class but did not say that all of the current ones would be protected. If they are not protected then in effect there is an increase in taxes for the middle class while the few with large incomes get away again. I was glad Joe brought up the fact that many of the "small businesses" that the GOP keeps including in "small business" are actually extremely small hedge funds, professional athletes, and others who are not in the norm. To include tham in small business is not a good characterization, but it works for GOP stats.
I loook forward to the next debate. I hope both candidates watched and learned from these two men. They both did an outstanding job. IMHO.
6Oct 12, '12 by tntrnJoe did a poor job. He was rude, disrespectful and over all, looked like he thought he was at a carnival, not a debate of issues serious to millions of US citiziens. He looked, to me, like an angry old white guy. He was even rude to the commentator on several occasions. He interrupted Ryan 82 times! In a 90 minute time frame that is almost once a minute.
His comments (more than once) of "if they'd just get out of the way (referring to Republicans) hardly sounds like a we'll reach across the aisle sort of theme, does it?
And he has lying about the Syria thing....but then the Syria thing has been one lie after another since it happened, and he is hardly the first person or the highest in rank to have done it.
2Oct 12, '12 by imintroubleI'm not going to argue about who said what, or substance. To be honest, everything's about spin anyway on both sides. Shortly this thread will be joined by those left leaning posters who can run circles around me politically. Arguing numbers/percentages. Linking web sites....
On a purely nursing level, I found the behavior of the vice-president to be labile. Very labile. If I'd observed it in a 48 hr old pre-menopausal woman, or a 17 yr old boy, it might not put a beep on my radar.
But on the Vice-president of the US?
I told my husband, he was either off his meds, or he needed some meds.
I'm not so entrenched in my beliefs that I can't be fair. I felt during the whole thing that Biden won. I felt Ryan did well.
But then the win was uglied up by the uncontrollable mirth, in a situation that did not warrant that response.
I couldn't get past the number two guy in our country giggling like a girl.
Lefties are saying he couldn't control himself, because his opponent's rhetoric was so absurd.
A 40 yr politician couldn't control his demeanor???
I have a question. Last week when the president bombed his debate, I don't remember seeing a prominent thread concerning that issue.
Today, Joe V, administrator posts a thead. Joe Biden did well.
Is there a connection?Last edit by imintrouble on Oct 12, '12
5Quote from Spidey's momit's fine on it's own ... there's no need to place everything on one thread - new thread - new title - new focusJust a thought - maybe we should tack this onto the General Election thread started by Tweety because we've all been discussing it there as well and I'm not sure I want to go back and forth between these two threads.
having separate threads can help readers focus on what's important to them
6Oct 12, '12 by NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN AdminHaving lived in PA all my life with Philadelphia stations covering Delaware policitcs + living nearby Claymont DE, demeanor showed by VP Biden was his usual self as seen over past 25+yrs he's been Senator. Wish all 79 yrs were looking as good and as intellectually sharp as him. With some more experience, can see Ryan becoming Presidential candidate.
My DH was having FITS that Biden wasn't allowed equal time to speak and felt Martha Raditz could have enforced 2min time limit better. Theories without details from Romney/Ryan camp concerns him and other"47% 's" most.
Malarkey goes over well in our Irish household.